Dark Legion Forward Observers for Fire Missions

[masherking]

Just remember under UWZ rules you need to have 6 squads, 3 general officers, and a force commander to call in fire missions.

This I knew

Like you it was the " it most come from one list thing" I had questions on

[Jibbajabbawocky]

We should do a high point game one of these weeks, just to see how effective the fire missions are.

[masherking]

Demigonis fire mission is half kool/ half suck.

Those that it kills become ATS 14 markers and can with the right spell raise them as blight commandos.
But there is no spell "raise blight commandos"

I have yet to see a fire mission used. 
Its such a tease, all that sweet template attacks but so hard to pull off.

We should do a high point game one of these weeks, just to see how effective the fire missions are.

Yeah we should do big game sometime.
2000 pt mad max army  all those bikes, trucks (necromowers), berserkers.......drool
2000 pt Son of Demigonis amry -so many blessed legioners, so many voices... drool
2000 pt cartel 1000pts of agents plus 1000pts pf peacekeepers oh the sweet pain, the  sweet, sweet pain....drool

[Iron Panda]

I have yet to see a fire mission used. 
Its such a tease, all that sweet template attacks but so hard to pull off.

Sort of like Hail of Arrows in Chronopia.  A lot of stages to go to  but when it goes off,  it's just plain awesome.  Come to think of it,  I managed to pull this off maybe 40% of the time I've used it.  Not so reliable as compared to using good ol' direct fire weapons.


Still,  In a 2000 point multiplayer game with 3 or 4 force commanders from each faction running around, pulling a fire mission successfully (Doesn't matter which side)  can be fun and chaotic.

[Jibbajabbawocky]

Yeah we should to big game sometime.
2000 pt mad max army  all those bikes, trucks (necromowers), berserkers.......drool
2000 pt Son of Demigonis amry -so many blessed legioners, so many voices... drool
2000 pt cartel 1000pts of agents plus 1000pts pf peacekeepers oh the sweet pain, the  sweet, sweet pain....drool

Whacha gonna do, when the Capitol Fire Mission comes down on you!?!?

[PFC joe]

Thom weighed in on that one a while back.  It screwed some of my army lists up to.

it boils down to Horde/Cult and the Apostles being two seperate armies that have to fulfill their own seperate buying criteria.  Horde/Cult grunts can only buy Horde/Cult Elites or support options, they can't mix and match one Horde Grunt and one Apostle Grunt to get a support option.  This applies to Fire Missions as well.  The armies only share the table, everything else is seperate.

-PFC joe

[masherking]

wow that seems a little screwy
but if that what he said thats what it is.

thanks Joe for clearing that up.

[PhillySniper]

wow that seems a little screwy
but if that what he said thats what it is.

thanks Joe for clearing that up.

I agree that its screwy. I have never agreed with that ruling 
There was a thread on it a while ago and the most convincing argument was" Because Thom said so"

Ill go by it so as to not start up the rather heated thread again.

[Dr. Nick]

is it really of ANY imprtance wether an (ex) official says something??

if you really field such a big army (and it seem to be very big, compared to your normal army size)
why should anyone not use a fire mission?
Six squats & more is really a lot, and if your opponent gets the same for the same amount of squats..??

Also, I think the army breakdown of dark legion is rather harsh, and way too extrem!
at least 6 (7) different dark legion armys?? come on!

[Dragon62]

How is this harsh Capital has 3, Bauhaus has 5, Imperial has 5, Mishiman has 4, Cybertronic has 2, and brotherhood has 3.  Dark Legion Being the only true evil force needs to have different factions to make it interesting and to have the same diversity as the other armies.

[Veez]

Devil's advocate: there has to be some sort of final authority on the rules.  Once we start changing things or allowing multiple interpretations then we become Starfleet Battles with noone able to agree on what they hell they are playing.  Then the dogs and cats start living together.

That said, there are some core rules I disagree with (one support per two grunt squads?-it is more realistic that the support would be for the elite squads-I think it should be one support per two squads of any type but that's just me and it's not open to interpretation) and this particular rule is unclear.  I think we should prepare some sort of official house rules thread, gather everyone's opinion so that we are on the same sheet of music, carefully weigh the pros and cons of each position, then let PFC Joe decide for us (seriously I would vote for him as the final arbitrator).

[Dr. Nick]

The reality of an "unofficial" but nevertheless group based rule-tweak-errata would be great!

of course, if it would be too far reaching, it would be difficults to do a find people agreeing.

therefore, what about a simple list, so everyone can pick. you have a set of house rule picks out of a limited collection.

something like

- 1 supp / 2 squats

- dark legion mix grunts to acess fire missions

- vulcans with HMG   

- impenetrability = weapons immunity if dam <13  (exept AV)

.
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choose what you like in your group, but out of a list, wich is somehow reasonable and limited

[masherking]

Devil's advocate: there has to be some sort of final authority on the rules.  Once we start changing things or allowing multiple interpretations then we become Starfleet Battles with noone able to agree on what they hell they are playing.  Then the dogs and cats start living together.

I agree with this 100%

I play with the rules as they stand (plus all the offical rulings by EE)
I might not agree with everything but rules are damn good as they are and its something we all can agree too.
For me theres no need to re-invent wheel.

But hey if folks use house rules thats fine too.

[Iron Panda]

Thom weighed in on that one a while back.  It screwed some of my army lists up to.

it boils down to Horde/Cult and the Apostles being two seperate armies that have to fulfill their own seperate buying criteria.  Horde/Cult grunts can only buy Horde/Cult Elites or support options, they can't mix and match one Horde Grunt and one Apostle Grunt to get a support option.  This applies to Fire Missions as well.  The armies only share the table, everything else is seperate.

All things being equal, A DL force can still have flexibility as they can have both Cult/Horde and Apostles units in an army. So if its mixed, a 1000 pt combo DL army would be something like this:

1. 2 Horde/Cult Grunt unit

2. 2 Horde/Cult Elite unit

3.  And/or 1 individual

4. And/or 1 Support

And

Apostle Force

1. 2 Grunt unit

2. 2 Elite

3. And/or 1 Individual

4. And/or 1 support

It's a lot of units in a 1000 pts.  but as long as each Horde/Cult and Apostle meet each separate buying criteria for each of their respective force compositions, and points permitting, it's okay to field.

[Stalker]

I play with the rules as they stand (plus all the offical rulings by EE)
I might not agree with everything but rules are damn good as they are and its something we all can agree too.
For me theres no need to re-invent wheel.

This is the way to go.  Everyone has some issues with rules here and there.  I don't even like all the rules and sometimes I haven't like some of the rules that I've made rulings on and had to support.  But, these are the rules of the game and together, they make a pretty good game system.  If we start tweaking here and there then we are just asking for trouble.  Often a new "house rule" looks good on the surface but people fail to look deep enough into it at how it affects other areas of the game.