Discussion: If you could re-do an Army...

[Archer]

Topic of Discussion:

If you could re-organize an Army faction, which would it be, how would you do it?

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  I've noticed a lot of folks here have opinions on what each army as wrong and what they would do to organize them.  I'm no different and I've played around with the org chart many times.... and I've also wondered if others have done the same.

  The two armies I thought need organizing on the Corp side are Capitol and Bauhaus....  Cap more than the Haus....

What I'd do....

Capitol Armed Forces
Army Troop Choices:

 Light Infantry
Airborne Infantry

Elites:
Free Marines (where they started)
Scorpions
Rangers
Martian Banshees

Individuals:
LI Captain
Airborne Captain (new unit)
Ranger Captain
FM Gunny
Banshee Captain
Infantry Major
Colonel
"La ****aroach" Del torres
Kowalski

Navy
Heavy Infantry (renamed Marine Infantry)

Elites
Sea Lion
Assault Marines
Colby Guard (argument can be made to make them Army)
Wailing Banshees

Individuals
HI Captain
Sea Lion Catain (armed prperly!!!)
AsM Captain
Nathan Parrish
Blood/Guts Colonel
Wailing Banshee Captain
Sgt Carter

General List Troop
Freedom Brigade (troops)  The Foreign Legion of Capitol
K9 Teams  (Elite) they are specialists in modern armies and its a return to such.
Sunset Strikers- (Elite) trhey really don't fit anywhere else
Armed Interdiction Police (AIP)  Detachemtemt- (Elite) unit of MP's armed with pistol and smg or shotguns.  Must take if any Freedom Brigade in army

General List Individuals
Covert Ops Spec
Jake Kramer

Support Elements
Infantry Mortar Teams
Orcas
Shark
Great Grey
Pegasus

Capitol Hero Doom trooper Team (Mitch and Bob Watts)

[Pax]

Honestly I'm quite pleased with the layout there currently is in the Warzone unit lists so I only got slight changes.

For Capitol I had perhaps moved ACG to the Army to give the Sea Lions a more shining place.

For Imperial I had looked at the possibilities to mix the clans a bit more, but that is more the army chooser rule than anything else.

Bauhaus, probably changed the Vulcans and the mounted Hussars to pure support units.

When it comes to the rest of the armies I ain't got much of a opinion as I have never played or faced them in any larger extent.

[JohnL5555]

If I could redo an army I'd go back to 1st edition style. So many basic troops get you a limited # of specialists. You could use any troop types of an army together. No restrictions. Same with the DL. Points should be points.

Thanks,

John

[Coil]

Forces with only elite choices could be fun. You could still require grunts in order to buy support units. That way elite forces would be possible but still restricted in what toys they have access to.

[JohnL5555]

Hey Coil. I agree. That's what I meant I just didn't make it very clear. Points should be points. The nice thing about 1st edition was the army creation flexibility. Especially considering how hard it can be to get figs now, flexibility would be a real asset

[Enker]

I would re do Capitol, too.

But I won't change the Divisions I would change the weaponary or some stats.

Freedom Brigs and LI: They are nearly the same. Give one of them SMGs or Shotguns.
Parachuter: Most times close to the enemy. So SMGs would be nice.
Colbys Guard: Had Shotguns in 1st edition, which is the much better choice for a heavy enviroment (short LOS) squad.
Sea Lions. Should have MV4. They are lightly armored, why only MV3?
Desert Scorps: Why is this trooper equiped with SMGs? In Desert you have most time long LOS and they only have MV3. This one should have Assault Rifles.
Nearly whole Capitol has Assault Rifles and the Squad witch dont need another wepon gets the SMG. Argghh.
K9 Team: To expensive. Predator Senses is nearly usless for them, since only the spotting squad can attack the spottet model. Yeahh spot them and bite them with DAM 6.
Mortar Team: Mortars are generally to weak for a support.
Rangers: Same as for the Parachuters. Close to the enemy. Upgrate there cool Revolver!
Sunsets: Two wounds for the Flamer Specialist would be nice.

Ok, that were the most important things to make a perfect Capitol. But which army is perfekt?




 

[Lopis]

I would re do Capitol, too.

Ok, that were the most important things to make a perfect Capitol. But which army is perfekt?

None, and wishing is OK, but I think the forces arenīt too outbalanced.
On the whole they semm to work nicely....

[Enker]

Yeah winning with an unperfect army makes more fun, too.

And the whole discusions and comparisions would not be there if the armies were perfect.

A few things in the compostition of Capitol troopers stats, abilities and weaponary seems just a little bit unlogical for me.

[luckyone]

It would be nice to swap out weapons etc for some squads (of course a points increase should occur). Someday if this would happen it would be neat. Of course I would have to do a lot of conversions.

[Enker]

It would be nice to swap out weapons etc for some squads (of course a points increase should occur). Someday if this would happen it would be neat. Of course I would have to do a lot of conversions.

That reminds me at the first edition Pretorian Stalkers with Nazgaroth.
AAAAAAhhhhhhh!
Greeting to you Bagomba.

[Lopis]

A few things in the compostition of Capitol troopers stats, abilities and weaponary seems just a little bit unlogical for me.

The same with me, but I think we differ in which stats and in which way they could be modified 


Yep the Pretorian Szalker with the Nazgaroth was a real pain in the ass.....

But on the whole I think the adjustment with being able to change weapons for the models would go too far.
Yeah would be nice and the effect of surprise could add a bit of fun and gives way more tactical possibilities, but I would fear that it would also lead to overpowered heavily equipped figs.
And we had that already.

[Archer]

Yeah winning with an unperfect army makes more fun, too.

And the whole discusions and comparisions would not be there if the armies were perfect.

A few things in the compostition of Capitol troopers stats, abilities and weaponary seems just a little bit unlogical for me.

I agree.  *IF* it were up to me, there would be an adjusting done to the Capitol army along with some serious sense-making.  Not up to me though.

[pinksuezo]

wells... theres always house rules options.... as in the game i'm playing right now uses immaculate furies in an algeroth army, since in the mutant chronicles books the furies are a creation of algeroth's technomancers...

[Kaile_Bloodhammer]

As far as Dark Legion goes I would rather be able to cross Apostles elites in a similiar way to Bauhaus.  You may choose Elite choises from other Aopstles but they count as Support choises instead.

[micmellon]

This is a good idea for all armies!