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Offline micmellon

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Tangle Chain vs Flyers and Vehicles
« on: January 27, 2009, 03:57:10 AM »
How I have to handle the following Situation:

A group of Mourning Wolves attacks for example a RAMS Air Cavalry (Sounds weird but it can happen :-\). The rule book says: "If Flyers wishes to Break Away from Close Combat, it does not to roll anything, even if an enemy model wishes to prevent it."

It is the same with vehicles. The rules states they don’t have to test to break away but the tangle chain prohibited the break away (“may not break away”) in general. Does it mean that the entangled flyers and vehicles have to stay at place? At least I understand it like this if I take the rules literal.

Flyers and vehicles don’t have to test to do a break away and the tangle chain does not allow choosing the action “break away”. The outcome of this is the enemy of the Mourning Wolves have to stay in CC until the Mourning Wolves are dead or they get released by there opponents.
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Re: Tangle Chain vs Flyers and Vehicles
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2009, 05:54:20 AM »
Oh wow....  I'm not sure on that one... though if the RAC pilot was in CC range of the ladies, he gets what he deserves.
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Re: Tangle Chain vs Flyers and Vehicles
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2009, 06:11:02 AM »
The Rams Air is not a vehicle and cannot auto breakaway from CC.  This is the current ruling on this model.
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Re: Tangle Chain vs Flyers and Vehicles
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2009, 08:15:26 AM »
The RAM was just an example. Anyway it is offtopic but on page 42 in UWZ rulebook is writen: "If Flyers wishes to Break Away from Close Combat, it does not to roll anything, even if an enemy model wishes to prevent it."
And a RAM can fly as far I know. And (http://forum54.oli.us/index.php?topic=1027.0) says the rule is correct so why do you want an exception just for the RAM?

But anyway my question works with all other flying units, too.
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Re: Tangle Chain vs Flyers and Vehicles
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2009, 09:38:33 AM »
I always approach my game from a common sense POV .   While the rules may seem contradictory, here is the moment to use one's logic.

E.g. If a human-sized, mortal, with a chain, wraps it around the wing of an aircraft or a man with a rocket pack, what would Phyics say?  To me the girl would likely be whipped up into the air or maybe have her arm torn off. 

And yes, while I realize UWZ is a Sci-Fi game, it's not an Anime cartoon where normal people can flip 50' through the air, it is, more or less, based on the rules of a real world. So models are only so strong, so fast, so tough, etc.

Anyway, that's my 10 cents worth.  Go to town!   :o ;D ;D

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Re: Tangle Chain vs Flyers and Vehicles
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2009, 09:54:24 AM »
Good question. 
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Re: Tangle Chain vs Flyers and Vehicles
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2009, 02:57:35 PM »
Auto Break away is, well, just that.  A vehicle may Auto-break from CC, no matter the circumstance.  Tangle Chains, Chains of Illian, etc. have the effect of negating the attempt to break away.  With vehicles, there is no attempt, they merely drive (fly, roll, hop, walk) away.

Does that clear it up?  (I ask this in case I have not answered the question fully or clearly - not to sound like an arrogant windbag.  It is difficult to sound empathetic through text.)
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Re: Tangle Chain vs Flyers and Vehicles
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2009, 03:47:12 PM »
E.g. If a human-sized, mortal, with a chain, wraps it around the wing of an aircraft or a man with a rocket pack, what would Phyics say?  To me the girl would likely be whipped up into the air or maybe have her arm torn off. 
Anyway, that's my 10 cents worth.  Go to town!   :o ;D ;D

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I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say the let go of the chain.  ;)
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Re: Tangle Chain vs Flyers and Vehicles
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2009, 03:49:58 PM »
Put the chains down and noone gets hurt!
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Re: Tangle Chain vs Flyers and Vehicles
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2009, 03:55:39 PM »
well, its the same question for the wailing banshees.. which are not a vehicle, but can fly... do they get to auto break??

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Re: Tangle Chain vs Flyers and Vehicles
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2009, 04:11:26 PM »
Warzone Humor--

Q: What did the exhausted Wailing Banshee say to his nagging wife the Mourning Wolf?

A: Will you give me an auto-break already?

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Re: Tangle Chain vs Flyers and Vehicles
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2009, 08:36:04 PM »
As with the Rams Air, the Banshees can't auto-break away. ;)
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Re: Tangle Chain vs Flyers and Vehicles
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2009, 03:21:14 AM »
The sentence of the rule book: “If Flyers wishes to Break Away from Close Combat, it does not to roll anything, even if an enemy model wishes to prevent it." is in this case obsolete because it only works for vehicles and this is already stated below on the same page.

dmcgee1 : “Auto Break away is, well, just that.  A vehicle may Auto-break from CC, no matter the circumstance.  Tangle Chains, Chains of Illian, etc. have the effect of negating the attempt to break away.  With vehicles, there is no attempt, they merely drive (fly, roll, hop, walk) away.”

OK, but how does it work if the vehicle is surrounded by enemies. There are no rules to knock over people like in the editions before and the rule book says in general you need a gap of 4”. You never get out of this CC with or without the chains. Is this correct?

The chains works against the Praetorian Behemoth and the Mercurian Maculator, too. Why shouldn't it work against vehicles, too?
« Last Edit: January 28, 2009, 09:43:11 AM by micmellon »
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Re: Tangle Chain vs Flyers and Vehicles
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2009, 03:41:33 PM »
well, its the same question for the wailing banshees.. which are not a vehicle, but can fly... do they get to auto break??

No.

A.) They must land at the end of their movement, and cannot get airborne if in CC.
B.) They ar not vehicles, and must roll to Break from CC.
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Re: Tangle Chain vs Flyers and Vehicles
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2009, 03:45:11 PM »
Warzone Humor--

Q: What did the exhausted Wailing Banshee say to his nagging wife the Mourning Wolf?

A: Will you give me an auto-break already?

That is F'ing hilarious!  L -
If sing, sang, and sung, sink, sank, and sunk, and drink, drank, and drunk, how is it that it isn't bring, brang, and brung, think, thank and thunk, and ding, dang, and dung?

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