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Offline Vile_Tuntematinen

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Re: Discussion Topic: Cybertronic: Heretics or Not?
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2006, 10:57:25 AM »
well...accordin' to Brotherhood sourcebook of MC... Durand I and his 2 bros R IMMORTAL, and they alternate positions in Cardinalship (p.70)!!! So...they cheated us once, why not twice:):):):):):)?

Isn't that bad being heretic...:)

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Re: Discussion Topic: Cybertronic: Heretics or Not?
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2006, 10:12:35 PM »
Honestly now...

1) Mannerheim (Founder of Cyberchemical, the "father" of cybertronic) found a way for humanity to COMPLETELY resist Symmetry. The day was supposed to demonstrate this to Cartel ,and become available to all, was murdered (maybe the BROS...who wuld need them after that?)
2)Cyber's r the most "solid" and uniform corporation, meanin' that u wont see any heretics there except if...ALL CYBERS R HERETICS:)
3) They r the most eager to cooperation with all etc etc etc

These r STRONG reasons for someone to support that Cybers r not with DL

besides...if we take Bros teachin' " by the book"... ALL R HERETICS

1) Mishima, for non-followers and cooperation with Cybers
2) Cybers...for the known reasons:)
3) IMPERIAL COZ CONSTANTLY BREAKS Toth's RULE OF "NO TRAVELS CLOSE TO PLUTO,NERO etc"  and ALWAYS CAUSIN' DISTURBANCES WITH ITS "STEALING" FROM THE OTHER CORPORATIONS (ironic,huh:) )
4) Romanovs cooperate with Cybers
5) Capitol...capitolian officials just dont CARE to spread BROS teachings
6) BROS!!!...coz Durand Bro's KEEPIN' IMMORTALITY for them and in BRO as a whole use "gray" technology (call me resonators)

so... for similar reasons that cybers r chased... almost ALL HUMANITY SULD BE
heretics!

BROs are insane more than Muawhije (sorry for the spellin', never cannt say his name correct...anyway, I believe to Algeroth, so no problem:) )

BUT...I STILL INSIST.... ANYTHING CAN BE POSSIBLE IN MUTANT CHRONICLES UNIVERSE!!! DONT SAY IT ONLY FOR THE CYBERS, THIS IS WHAT HISTORY HAVE SHOWN TILL NOW...

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Re: Discussion Topic: Cybertronic: Heretics or Not?
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2006, 01:03:04 AM »
" CYBERTRONIC
  Just as Cardinal Roland was about to speak, a messenger of the Cartel High Command entered the hall and called for silence. He bore with him grievous news for the people gathered at the devotion. While he spoke, the hall was emptied, leaving only Cardinal Roland and his kin of the Brotherhood. And the Cardinal had a premonition of dark times for the corporations and humanity, because a new power had entered the scene. And the Cardinal's followers cried out in grief and fear, because the already meager resources of humanity were now further divided. And this tragedy was to become known as the founding of Cybertronic.
 And just as Cardinal Roland had forseen, the rise of the new business empire seemed to have no ceiling. Day by day, new losses were discovered among the directors of Mishima and Capitol. Smithies, pits, docks, banks, universities and garrisons were secretly purchased by the Cybertronic crew, who were all former employees of the other megacorporations.
 But however hard we tried, o Brothers, none of us could find the slightest trace of influence from the Dark legion in the hearts of Cybertronic. Not even the changellors grasping far into their minds found anything but clenliness and health.
 And so it was that the fifth, and so far last, of the megacorporations saw the light of day.
- The Eighth Chronicle, The Megacorporations and the Cartel, by Lucretius Marcellianus"

(p.190 Mutant Chronicles RPG 2nd edition).

"THE THEORIES 
  Ever since the founding, the scientists and managers of the other megacorporations have struggled to understand the underlying power behind the Cybertronic bussines group. There are multiple theories: some official, others unofficial, some very believable, others pure fabrications. But no matter which theory you accept, the fact remain: the Cybertronic scientists possess knowledge that their colleagues don't.
 Industrial spies and infiltrators have been of no use. Sometimes they returned with little or nothing of value to report, but most of the time they just didn't return. Not even the Mishiman agents, specialists at the task, have managed to uncover anything within Cybertronic.
 All these things that make Cybertronic so unique- their sudden appearance in the world of high finance, their ability to recruit the intellectual elite of the other corporations, their astonishing technological breakthroughs- puzzle the rest of the megacorporations. There are a lot of theories to explain what is called the <<Cybertronic phenomenon>>, but few facts."

(p.190 Mutant Chronicles RPG 2nd edition).

" THE OFFENHAUER THEORY
 Within Bauhaus, the interdisciplinary theory created by the group of scientists led by General Jean-Louis Offenhauer has come to be the prevailing one. In short, this theory purports that Cybertronic has developed biochemical methods for altering the functions of the mind and body. The nervous system and the brain functions are manipulated by a secret substance, bacterium or genetic pattern.
 A person infected with the substance begins to think in line with the Cybertronic mentality, with little or no emotional influence in decision making. The theory's main support is based on the fact that the Cybertronic crew is infamous for being predictable, almost machine-like in doing what seems most logical at the time, taking absolutely all possible factors into account.
 General Offenhauer, 96, is currently chairman of Cyberchemicals, inc."

(p.191 Mutant Chronicles RPG 2nd edition).
 
 "THE SULLIVAN SYNDROME
  Former Capitol Psycologist Dr. Simon Sullivan, expert on psychological combat reactions, theorized that the <<Cybertronic Phenomenon>> is a mental abnormality among the traitors. Faced with the perpetual threat from the Dark Legion, the terror- propoganda from the Brotherhood and the high demands from society, these people have been struck by a mental disease resembling schizophrenia. This new mental state causes people to give up their past and start a new career in a new environment. The syndrome, he continues, also changes the brain's chemical makeup, which improves the capability of logical thinking and calculating while suppressing emotions and imagination."

(p.191 Mutant Chronicles RPG 2nd edition).

...a great topic guys. For those who don't have a copy of the RPG, I thought you may find the quoted source material  of interest. There are a few more, so if anyone wants me to scribe 'em here just give a shout.

...I am inclined to think Cybertronics is the work of a secret society within the Cartel. A sort of Illuminati conspiracy on a solar system wide scale. As to how much "they" live and have influenced and orchestrated events in the Mutant Chronicles era is open to much speculation. There are numerous referances to such a secret society in the RPG and even a illustration on p.70 in the 2nd edition RPG shows a guy in a suit and tie giving a obvious secret society signal with the classic # 11 power symbol in the background...curiosly the character is shown to represent a "security/ investigation" type. Cybertronics always impressed me as being a people who have lost their humanity and more or less have become mind controlled robotic slaves serving and doing the bidding of the machine...both politically and physically. The question then is who is controlling them and for what purpose? It's all about control...and that is something a illuminati-like secret society would be working on behind the scenes on the stage of our solar system. Order out of Chaos is what they are all about. Create the chaos (war, emergencies, disasters, social unrest, divide and then conquer). I also see the Dark Apostle Semai involved somehow. Who is pulling who's strings I wonder...?

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Re: Discussion Topic: Cybertronic: Heretics or Not?
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2006, 07:21:50 PM »
...here's some supporting reference material. (p.196) RPG 2nd edition:

 "The Cartel did promote greater cooperation between the megacorporations, but it was also a breeding place for it's own petty squabbles and human greed. It was a cesspool of degeneration and cruelty. Some officials stopped at nothing to acheive their own goals, and the Cartel was made into a secret society, existing only for the sake of it's own."

...maybe those of Cybertronic are indeed tainted and corrupted in the same way as the dreaded Dark Legion, that they are indeed another manifestation of the Dark Symmetry, and that this cannot be detected by the Brotherhood as it can be with the Dark Legion because those of Cybertronic have minds that have been altered in such a way that such a condition is masked or hidden by it. (See "The Offenhaurer Theory"/ "The Sullivan Syndrom"). They are not even  aware of their Heretical nature hiding beneath their altered brain chemistry and minds. They are in a sense Dark Legion sleeper agents. This explains why the Brotherhood can find no trace of the Dark Symmetry. Their technology is not corrupted by the Dark Legion in the way the old technologies were prior to the first Corporate wars because it does not need to be...yet.