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Offline veebo

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First edition
« on: October 12, 2005, 08:13:13 AM »
Hey ya!

I have the first ed of warzone rulebook ( not enough money to buy 3rd ed yet, and i think that the old one is too legendary not to be used any more)

So I have these two problems.

Is 3rd edition chasseur same as 1st edtion chasseur? In first edition chasseur looks like the new 3rds armoured chasseur( the big one with two guns ). So is it same?

Is 3rd edition capitol "light infantry" same as the "infantry"?  Though my version is finnish so it can be possible that the "jalkavški" means light infantry but im not sure. Any thoughts?

Im from finland btw.

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Re: First edition
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2005, 01:14:22 PM »
Do you mean are they represented on the gaming table by the same models or are they statistically the same?

The first edition infantry are the baseball cap wearing minis and no those are not used at all in UWZ, though I don't think many opponents would have a problem with you using them as Light infantry.

What I remember as 1st ed chassuers are now people's volunteers, though that wasn't "a big one with two guns" so we're probably thinking of different minis.  Sorry that isn't more helpful.

As for the statistics, no they are completely different.  In first it wasn't uncommon for a unit to have MW (the 1st ed equivilent to RC) of 15, while in UWZ an 11 is rare and the average is probably 8 or 9.

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Re: First edition
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2005, 01:33:26 PM »
I think he means the now  enhanced Chasseur units.  and no, there're nothing like their first edition counterparts.

As for the old baseball capped infantry, for the most part they can be either Capitol Infantry or just shifted over and turned into Cartel Peacekeepers.

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Re: First edition
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2005, 03:46:28 AM »
Could you be so nice to tell me stats of new chasseurs and stormtroopers(and evrything i need to use them).

I dont mind if you think thats not right and I should buy the 3rd edition. But it would be nice to try those units, until I have enough money to buy the new rulesbook. 

If I purchase the rulebook from USA( I didnt find any retailers from EU), I need to pay for rate of duty and that will cost a lot.

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Re: First edition
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2005, 05:03:01 AM »
There is a thread covering the European distributors in the Excelsior General Discussion Forum. Here is a link http://forum54.oli.us/index.php?topic=51.0
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Re: First edition
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2005, 05:15:54 AM »
Check out the thread Topkick linked to for ways to get UWZ from European retailers.

Just having the statlines wont give you enough to play them. While stats have changed between 1st and UWZ (mostly stats being cut) the important differences are in the rules.

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Re: First edition
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2005, 10:26:19 AM »
Yah, you should save your coin and get the rulebook, dude, you'll be doing yourself a favor most of all. The 1st edition rulebook is nice and all, but it's a collectors' item now and not much else.

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Re: First edition
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2005, 11:17:30 AM »
Oh I thought theres no european retailers...Got that!

I have two copys of 1st edition rulebook and the expansion dark eden... Im so cool ;D

« Last Edit: October 13, 2005, 11:20:26 AM by veebo »

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Re: First edition
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2005, 12:18:47 PM »
Some people still play first edition, so the books are a little more than just collectors editions.


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Re: First edition
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2005, 10:26:00 PM »
Yep. The First Edition is a legend. Excellent Artwork, very nice book. The rules were revolutionary that time. It`s a shame they got into the power spiral. Glad I have it on the shelf.   ;D

3rd or Ultimate Edition: Might look expensive, but IMHO well worth the price. About 3 times the thickness of the 1st. Ed. Background mostly intact and expanded, troops from 1st and 2nd ed. incorporated with some new added to the lists as well. Basic game mechanics are the same but enhanced to cover more situations.

The original "Infantry" could be used as Light Infantry but by the look the helmeted versions would be closer to the Heavy Infantry.

Chasseurs: Not as powerful as in the 1st ed. they are still a good and solid troop you can count on. Back than they were a bit of dissappointment as in RPG almost all Chasseurs we have seen wore heavy armour.

There are new Chasseur figs - more clothes but not that much armour.

The "armoured" Chasseurs were the "Enhanced Chasseurs" in the first ed too. Not the best of the figs, but gamewise very useful.

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Re: First edition
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2005, 03:28:00 AM »
Got that.

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Re: First edition
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2005, 08:20:47 AM »

The original "Infantry" could be used as Light Infantry but by the look the helmeted versions would be closer to the Heavy Infantry.


When it comes to the orginal Capitol Infantry scuplts, the ones with the football helmets are the heavy infantry, while the ones with the baseball caps are supposed to be the light infantry.  Which is tough to tell if you never knew about as the models are the same except for the head.  The football sculpts are also used for the orginal sea lions.  So unless you have the key to decipher the orginal Capitiol models it's pretty easy to end up using them as something else and never knowing the difference. And what they are being used for in UWZ.

Orginal Sealions. (Football players with heads with bandanna's)  now Admiral Colby's guards.
Orginal Infanty (Cartel Peace Keppers)

I believe that sums most of the models for capitol that here arcause most of the confusion.

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Re: First edition
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2005, 11:45:41 AM »
Capitol doesnt have enough money to hire "real" mercanerys so they need to use baseball- and bowl teams. ;)

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Re: First edition
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2005, 05:58:38 PM »


The original "Infantry" could be used as Light Infantry but by the look the helmeted versions would be closer to the Heavy Infantry.


I personally use the San Dorado nine as a Freedom Brigade.

Also, the football playing heavys are a good substitute for Airborne Rangers.

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Re: First edition
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2005, 11:09:46 PM »
Capitol doesnt have enough money to hire "real" mercanerys so they need to use baseball- and bowl teams. ;)


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