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Offline dmcgee1

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Off-board Artillery
« on: October 28, 2006, 06:12:23 PM »
If the spot marked (by the chit) is, subsequently after placing it,  blocked by an intervening model, does the Forward Observer still have LOS to the chit (a requirement for the Mission to take effect)?
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Re: Off-board Artillery
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2006, 06:40:13 PM »
I would assume so, he has marked the spot already, the unfortunete model is in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Re: Off-board Artillery
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2006, 07:06:24 PM »
An intervening model would block LOS for shot - why would it not block LOS for off-board artillery? (Yeah, I am playing Devil's Advocate - I happen to agree with you, Halfbad.)
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Re: Off-board Artillery
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2006, 10:43:17 PM »
even if it is cruel: a laser painted object and a blocking thing in between suddenly -> lost painting..

if a person walking throught the laser should break the painting, I guess not. but a 3 m fat monster half between spotter and object, perhaps.

All this rule problemns need to go to the faq! also the nightvison/target priority/... problems!

what about the polish fraction: how many rule-holes did you find/what is your solution? is there a polish FAQ?
is there a translation?
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Re: Off-board Artillery
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2006, 12:17:00 AM »
Aldrien - there is a translation and a FAQ. The last time I checked our FAQ had over 120 positions not covered by the english one. The translation has been modified to include US and Polish FAQ rulings known at the time of translation.
As for our ruling on fire missions - intervening models block LOS for this purpose.
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Re: Off-board Artillery
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2006, 03:17:54 AM »
hey, could ya get me a link to the Polish FAQ?

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Re: Off-board Artillery
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2006, 08:40:11 AM »
Please i'd like that link too. I personal never liked the new OBA rules it requires a large force to even have. 6 squads, 3 general officers and a force commander.
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Re: Off-board Artillery
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2006, 11:15:58 AM »
Quote from: Dragon62 on October 29, 2006, 08:40:11 AM
Please i'd like that link too. I personal never liked the new OBA rules it requires a large force to even have. 6 squads, 3 general officers and a force commander.

I've played in a game that size in which we had off-board artillery, and let me tell you, it really affected the game...

I guess that I don't mind that you need a large force to do it, but maybe not a force that large...

Plus, some armies (Mishima) have a real problem fielding 3 general officers because most of the officers are named characters...

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Re: Off-board Artillery
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2006, 01:38:31 PM »
Quote from: Sylvas on October 29, 2006, 11:15:58 AM

Plus, some armies (Mishima) have a real problem fielding 3 general officers because most of the officers are named characters...

B...


I believe that any maodel that has the "Commander" skill is an "officer."
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Re: Off-board Artillery
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2006, 02:58:35 PM »
Quote from: dmcgee1 on October 29, 2006, 01:38:31 PM
I believe that any maodel that has the "Commander" skill is an "officer."

but does that count for unit commanders?...

B...
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Re: Off-board Artillery
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2006, 04:25:38 PM »
Quote from: Sylvas on October 29, 2006, 02:58:35 PM
Quote from: dmcgee1 on October 29, 2006, 01:38:31 PM
I believe that any maodel that has the "Commander" skill is an "officer."

but does that count for unit commanders?...

B...

Yes - Look up the skill:  Commander (There are three types - Unit, Divisional, and Force)
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Re: Off-board Artillery
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2006, 05:55:58 AM »
Quote from: PFC joe on October 29, 2006, 03:17:54 AM
hey, could ya get me a link to the Polish FAQ?

-PFC joe
Yes, I can:
http://wargamer.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2295
The FAQ has been edited recently - only 109 positions now...
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Re: Off-board Artillery
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2006, 06:18:37 AM »
oh kaaayyy...

could you also post the link to the translated polish faq??  :)

-> have a look at the forum-faq-team thread also!

united faq´s would cover a lot, the now non-evolving system would soon be compleatly faq-ed, something that would make all happy!
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Re: Off-board Artillery
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2006, 08:40:33 AM »
In Czech Republic we play Fire Missons this way:

Guy who spots the place have to have LOS only to the part of potential template (not the spoted center)

- It doesn't make sense that one model would block the orbital bombardment (and it would make the fire mission not playable at all)


(Ad polish rules: One Czech player played Fire missions with Muawijhe on Polish Championship - he asked some judges and they gave him different answers (one model can block / one model can't block) - finaly it was decided that one model block LOS ://)
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Re: Off-board Artillery
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2006, 05:03:01 AM »
Quote from: Aldrien on October 30, 2006, 06:18:37 AM
oh kaaayyy...

could you also post the link to the translated polish faq??  :)

-> have a look at the forum-faq-team thread also!

united faq´s would cover a lot, the now non-evolving system would soon be compleatly faq-ed, something that would make all happy!
Probably we won't translate it. This would end up in total chaos. Players would storm this boards backing their rulings with the polish FAQ, which was written with polish UWZ translation in mind.
Quote from: Toshiro on October 30, 2006, 08:40:33 AM
(Ad polish rules: One Czech player played Fire missions with Muawijhe on Polish Championship - he asked some judges and they gave him different answers (one model can block / one model can't block) - finaly it was decided that one model block LOS ://)
And the judge was right. LOS means a line between two objects. No line, no LOS. The rules are clear on this one - "If there are no FO in LOS of the target during the next round, the communication link is considered broken, and the strike aborted." (p.58). The template of the off-board artillery can't be considered as a "target". Read this section in the rulebook again.
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