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Re: New convert, er, player here, bought some stuff, got some questions...
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2006, 06:19:41 PM »
Alright, I'm back for another go, with just a few more purchases.

My job sent me home today, on the basis that they overbooked workers. What they really mean is that sales are down, and I'm feeling the pinch.

But whatever, it all worked out for the best, as I came down violently ill for most of the day. Hm... maybe there's a Warhammer Nugle-like affliction going around.

But I decided to make the most of it by heading to my local game store and grabbing some magnetic basing. Surprise, surpirse, they were all sold out, which made Warzone my second choice.

I ended up picking up:

An Immaculate Fury HMG specialist

A Nepharite of the Demagonis #2 - this model was just so odd-looking I knew he was coming home with me.

Cardinal Dominic - old pose, but he looks good, and since all these models werre 25% off...

Another Technomancer - just cuz it's an awesome figure.

I decided to pass up on the Necromower since I have some other hobby projects running right now, and they take priority. The store also had two Unholy Carronades which I passed up on. Even at 25% off, they woulda pushed the budget a bit too far. Passed up on the Venusian Rangers for the same reason. That, and the ton of WZ plastics I picked up from Prince August's mega-sale will keep me bus for some time to come...


My questions are:

10) Can I rebase some of the larger figures on 40mm bases, just for asthetic reasons? Will that complete screw me as far as gameplay is concerned?

11) What the background on the Nepharite? Cuz I want to convert his halberd to be longer, and to have a back banner or flag, and I want something thematic

12) Is it worth taking another Nepharite? A third?

13)  What is the squad composition of the Immaculate Furies?

14) Are Unholy Carronades and good, and is it worth buying two?

Once again, all help is appreciated.

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Re: New convert, er, player here, bought some stuff, got some questions...
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2006, 07:11:50 PM »
My questions are:

10) Can I rebase some of the larger figures on 40mm bases, just for asthetic reasons? Will that complete screw me as far as gameplay is concerned?

I have mounted Vulkans, Val'Dredd, HMG-85T's, Caraiths and others on 40mm bases, only to realize that it makes them even more realistic as far as how they measure range from and to, and how they are affected by templates.

13)  What is the squad composition of the Immaculate Furies?

Immaculate Fury
Elite trooper, required 2-3 models

Immaculate Fury Leader
Elite squad leader, required 1 model

Immaculate Imperceptor
Individual squad linked officer, limit one per Fury squad
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Re: New convert, er, player here, bought some stuff, got some questions...
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2006, 07:48:14 AM »


11) What the background on the Nepharite? Cuz I want to convert his halberd to be longer, and to have a back banner or flag, and I want something thematic

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That sounds like Shekral the Pustulant he is a special character for Demnogonis. He is pretty much equal to a nepharite in power except he gets 2 instead of three Demnogonis powers. Do you have an Ultimate warzone rule book? I found out alot of units changed from second to UWZ I bought some figures that were marked as Algeroth but are Demnoginis now.

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Re: New convert, er, player here, bought some stuff, got some questions...
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2006, 12:53:16 PM »
I have gone back and re-based a lot of figures with 40mm bases if only to keep them from falling over.  That said, many of them (I bought them from target or target blister packs) EE went back and gave them 40mm bases for obvious reasons.  I don't see a problem with it, as long as you are willing to pay the price (you are closer to the enemy; but the enemy is closer to you)

Funny related story-I traded a new in package metal Mercurian Maculator for trade.  It is at least 50 mm from foot to foot.  It came with a 25mm base.
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Re: New convert, er, player here, bought some stuff, got some questions...
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2006, 12:57:11 PM »
the flight bases of the PS are rediculus too... not to forget the too shallow hole..
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Re: New convert, er, player here, bought some stuff, got some questions...
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2006, 01:32:10 PM »
the flight bases of the PS are rediculus too... not to forget the too shallow hole..

I knew that from prior experience...you have to drill out the hole and use a GW large flight base to really make them stable...

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Re: New convert, er, player here, bought some stuff, got some questions...
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2006, 03:19:59 PM »


11) What the background on the Nepharite? Cuz I want to convert his halberd to be longer, and to have a back banner or flag, and I want something thematic

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That sounds like Shekral the Pustulant he is a special character for Demnogonis. He is pretty much equal to a nepharite in power except he gets 2 instead of three Demnogonis powers. Do you have an Ultimate warzone rule book? I found out alot of units changed from second to UWZ I bought some figures that were marked as Algeroth but are Demnoginis now.

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Hm... He does look sorta rotted, maybe that's him. Glad I didn't but two then... He's got a blade on a stick and a box mounted on his chest that has a cable connecting to his cheek. Three horns stick out from the sides, and up top. Is this him?

What about rebasing Cardinal Dominic? Can't make that much of a difference, right?

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Re: New convert, er, player here, bought some stuff, got some questions...
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2006, 05:24:27 PM »
25mm daimeter to 40mm diameter - a difference of 7.5mm in radius.  As things are measured from base to base in this game, no base makes any real difference.  If it makes your figure look nicer, go for it.  Really, the only thing you'd have to watch out for is narrow corridors (alleys, cave tubes, sewers, etc.) where the base might not fit, making moving the model a challenge.
If sing, sang, and sung, sink, sank, and sunk, and drink, drank, and drunk, how is it that it isn't bring, brang, and brung, think, thank and thunk, and ding, dang, and dung?

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Re: New convert, er, player here, bought some stuff, got some questions...
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2006, 05:28:42 PM »
Hello.

Yes that certianly is the description of Shekral. AS to Dominic he is someone who uses the art to attack and support so rebase him if you want just try to keep it along the lines of 25-30mm. Try the bases from warmachine they are sweet.

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Re: New convert, er, player here, bought some stuff, got some questions...
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2006, 04:31:36 AM »
25mm daimeter to 40mm diameter - a difference of 7.5mm in radius.  As things are measured from base to base in this game, no base makes any real difference.  If it makes your figure look nicer, go for it.  Really, the only thing you'd have to watch out for is narrow corridors (alleys, cave tubes, sewers, etc.) where the base might not fit, making moving the model a challenge.

The caves point is great-if it's too tight for the base, the figure probably has no business trying to fit down it in the first place.
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Re: New convert, er, player here, bought some stuff, got some questions...
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2007, 07:41:44 PM »
It's been awhile since I did a hobby write-up so, here we go!

Today, I didn't set out to get any Warzone, but apparently that what I ended up buying. Initially I only set out to buy some magnetic basing from Gale Force 9. I've had a chance to try out the magnetic basing from GF9 on some other figures, and I must say, I have been convinced! And I've decided I need them in mass quantities to rebase all my Starship Troopers figures.

Damn you Gale Force 9, with your far too useful yet costly magnetic bases!

Don't get it? I don't blame you.

Like terrain, basing is one of those things that gamers just can't seem to be convinced to pay money for. Sure we'll shell out four to twelve bucks bucks for a single freakin' model, but when it comes to spending twenty-five cents per figure to have an army that is laughably easy to store and transport, I say thee NAY! Gamers just sort of lock up and have an aneurysm when it comes to pony-ing up that fat twelve bucks for 25 bases.

So my predicament is this. I have 32 half-assembled, MI - torso and legs glued to a base. I used the super-special-awesome glue meant for gluing ABS plastic together. You CAN break the models off their base, it just takes considerable force, and takes a thin slice of the base with it. wSince the bases from MP aren't anything special, I could, in theory, rebase everything.

But wait! There's more!

I also have 32 more fully assembled models, and most of them have sand glue to the base. I can't imagine it would be a problem, but... *reverse hiss*

So my predicament is, is buying enough magnetic bases and breaking off all the models from their base and rebasing them on magnetics the best use of my time and money? In addition I have a few more, along with some characters, but those should be a problem, as they haven't been glued down yet.

I eventually I caved to the fickle winds of Gamer OCD and decided to base up my figures on magnetic basing which leads to me to my next point:

I need a ****ton of magnetic bases.

And no one local carries them.

Sure I could get them online, but hey, it's been awhile since I made the trip to Brookhurst Hobbies, and that's always worth the trip, right?

Okay, gas up the car, and head out to Brookhurst Hobbies. I've talked about what a great store this is before, what a great gamer Mecca it is... etc. And like Mecca every gamer in California should visit this store at least once in their lifetime.

In short, these guys carry everything.

One hour later, I'm at the store... and... they're sold out.

What the Christ? I can't tell you what a buzzkill it was.

I swear baby, this has never happened before...

I mean, they're just dorky little plastic-and-magnet bases, but damn! I really needed them and I really looked forward to picking them up.

Ugh...

To add insult to injury, the store informed me that the ship times are real dodgy. Sometimes orders take only two weeks to arrive, other times it takes three months for them to get to the store.,.

Wow.

I can't imagine what goes through the mind of the owners of a business have such little regard for the vedors of their products.

Which makes an interesting point. I'm burning a quarter tank of gas, just to make a trip to a store I really like shopping at, but can't make the trip out there due to the distance. And when I can make the trip, they're sold out of the one thing I do want.

So, why the **** am I not just ordering online?

What they did have, coincidentally, is a ****ton of Warzone blisters, at half-price. So the trip's not a total waste.

These were ancient blisters too. I mean, an old metal model blister of the Mercurian Maculator, etc.

Ancient!

After rifling through their blister box, I decided to take home the following:

$24.95 - Death Angel - nothing says badass like a religous go-kart with a statue strapped to the back!
$7.95 - Dark Legion Nepharite of the Demagonis #2 - this model was just so odd-looking I knew he was coming home with me.
$2.95 - Sons of Rasputic Standard Bearer - I don't even have a unit to attach this to, but it's so awesome-looking, I just had to have it.
$2.95 - Lutheran Patriarch - I hope this guy is an army leader and not just a standard bear, but he looks kewl. And at 50% off, either way, I'm happy.
$2.95 - Crescentian Propeht - I don't know if this an unpopular figure or what, but I keep seeing him everywhere.
$3.50 - Brotherhood Mystic - Generic looking guy evil cultist. With poor sculpting detail and a massively oversized head, its not the best figure , but one that has a charm all its own.
$2.95 - Crescentian Martyr - Hm, I thought I tossed this figure back, but apparently it decided that wasn't good enough - it apparently wound up in my buy pile. Weird...

At half off, the total came out to only a bit over twenty bucks. Not bad! I spent almost as much taking my father out to Starbucks yesterday.

Done with my purchase, I thought I'd hit up The War House in Long Beach on the way back. I knew they probably wouldn't have it, but hey, as long as I'm out...

Long story short, they didn't have it.

What they did have was a ton of ancient Warzone. Including a Deathdroid, but as I asked for 25% off, the retail grunt said I'd only get the discount if I bought a ton of it.

Um... what?

Uh, look pal, in case you hadn't noticed this game was effectively discontinued, oh, I dunno... about a freakin' decade ago! And it's been on life support ever since.

You should be thanking me for taking this peg-warmer off yer hands. In fact you should get down on your knees and practically fellate me in gratiude for clearing out this dead inventory, freeing up some money for you to put into other, more profitable game lines.

Needless to say, I passed on the purchase. Especially since another one of the store's employees knows it's a dead game and will give me the discount, no questions asked, since I drop so much cash there.

Anyway, I was so annoyed at that, I even passed up on buying the extra conversion bits I needed. Enh, **** him. If he doesn't value my business, I can always get them online, at a discount, and shipped straight to my freakin' door.

What I'm surprised at is that fact that out of the two stores I went to, both were sold out of what I wanted.

Again, why am I not just ordering online?

And this is the big issue, right here. Brick-and-mortar stores are so concerned about losing sales to online retailers, but they don't have the product in stock. I don't buy much Games Workshop anymore, I have damn near all the gear I could ever want, and most of what I do want is miscellaneous stuff, add-on bits like magnetic basic or scenery.

And not only that, but let's not forget that online store often have a brick-and-mortar storefront, so buying from them is buying from a local store. It's just not buying from the one that local to you.

So yeah, I'm up a ton of Warzone figures and down the magnetic bases I wanted to base up my Mobile Infantry for Starship Trooper and Battle for Skull Pass for Warhammer Fantasy.

Probably explains why I don't have a problem with online retailers - they're the only ones that have what I want!

Okay so...

15) Are buying Crescentian Propehts just a complete waste of my time? Cuz they look so awesome, I'd hate to find out they suck, or that you can only take a few of them. In that case, they may defect to my Warhammer 40,000 Chaos Space Marine army as Chaos Sorcerors or something

16) How good is the Death Angel and in what quantity? Is there a limit to how many I can take and if so, what is that limit? Are they rare? As in, is finding one in a blister difficult?

17) Same as 16, but about the Eradicator Deaddroid. Good/useful? Army limits? Hard-to-find?

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Re: New convert, er, player here, bought some stuff, got some questions...
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2007, 09:07:27 PM »
Thank you for the entertaining parabole.  The Moral: buy on-line before wasting time and gas going to the store. Brillant!  ;D

Anyway to your questions.

15)  It's a very good model but with anything, you need to know the proper way to use it.  I wouldn't buy more than one for UWZ purposes.  (Don't have my book handy but) I think he is just an individual and thus you can have one per squad but, you wouldn't need to run more than 2 at the most.

16) They are a support unit and you can run one for every two grunt squads that you field.  This equates to roughly being able to run one per every 500 points.

17) same as 16

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Re: New convert, er, player here, bought some stuff, got some questions...
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2007, 09:12:00 PM »
Thank you for the entertaining parabole.  The Moral: buy on-line before wasting time and gas going to the store. Brillant!  ;D

Anyway to your questions.

15)  It's a very good model but with anything, you need to know the proper way to use it.  I wouldn't buy more than one for UWZ purposes.  (Don't have my book handy but) I think he is just an individual and thus you can have one per squad but, you wouldn't need to run more than 2 at the most.

16) They are a support unit and you can run one for every two grunt squads that you field.  This equates to roughly being able to run one per every 500 points.

17) same as 16

Welcome to the community.  Enjoy!

Awesome, thanks! It's good to be here. One last thing

18) About those Unholy Carronades, are they any good? Army limits? Hard to find?

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Re: New convert, er, player here, bought some stuff, got some questions...
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2007, 09:29:44 PM »
Support unit.  Same buying criteria as the Death Angel and EDD.  I've never used them (yet) myself but they look to be worth the points.
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Re: New convert, er, player here, bought some stuff, got some questions...
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2007, 09:28:00 PM »
If nothing else, the EDD's are impressive models.
As support options it takes a good deal to field them, you could fit at most three EDD's into a 1000 point army.  My girlfriend likes them cause  they look like very angry frogs.

The EDD's show up on ebay fairly regularly, but if you can get one at discount, i'd go for it.


As for the Carronade,  not the best support option for the Dark Legion, but they are pretty darn effective when used properly.  Just don't paint it flesh colored.


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