Devout Questions?

[troy-the-just]

2 vortex's full of negative energy from that damnable realm, would uncertainly cancel themselves out.  cant make a bigger one, that amounts to spell stacking or some super vortex, cant just pass through each other, doesnt make sense.  there has to be some downside to casting multiple vortex's on the same level.  now, you can send some after my fliers, etc., but to populate the board with vortex's, cant happen.

one terrifying spell to be certain, especially if the devout are defending an area, but id reccomend casting it once all warbands are committed.  certainly changes the game, good spell, but we must keep it within reason, the devout are powerful enough.

[DogOWar]

     My opinion is that they would treat each other like solid terrain, i.e. they would stop and roll next turn for new movement.  The chances of them(vortex) actually colliding are pretty remote so I'm not too concerned about this.  I don't think they should cancel each other out, of course I could be a little partial.

[joshuaslater]

The only thing that stops it is a piece of solid terrain.  It actually goes along the ground, pulling everything down, so can't be cast on a "height band".  It also doesn't block line of sight.  Having lots of them on the board is half the fun.  I've taken out most of the enemy that way; of course, I took out most of my Devout and ended up losing too, but what fun!!!

Deviation every turn!!

[DogOWar]

The only thing that stops it is a piece of solid terrain. It actually goes along the ground, pulling everything down, so can't be cast on a "height band". It also doesn't block line of sight. Having lots of them on the board is half the fun. I've taken out most of the enemy that way; of course, I took out most of my Devout and ended up losing too, but what fun!!!

Deviation every turn!!

    I didn't know you couldn't cast it(vortex) at a different height band, or that it didn't block line of sight!  That changes things for me a little.  I would like to get one of the FAQ guys in on this one, or maybe Thom the next time you see him, if its not to much trouble.  My book is being held hostage at troy-the-just's office(an hour away) so I can't look up the spell at the moment.  I plan on using this spell and would like an "official" ruling on this one.  Has anyone had a similar situation the the Stygian "sandstorm" spell?  

[PhillySniper]

After reading the rules for the Vortex spell, my opinion is that you CAN cast the spell in the air. As long as you can see the target LOS and it is within 20" subtracting the height from the distance. If you want the Vortex to be gone after the turn you cast it and when it deviates it goes off the board. Just my opinion.

[troy-the-just]

looking at Dog's book here in the office, it doesnt say anything about height bands, it says "place the vortex template anywhere within los" ....."if the vortex runs into 'impassable' terrain it stops at that point"  so i assume the deviation ends at that point in time.  is a vortex impassable?  if so if 2 or more run into each other do they stop?

[DogOWar]

looking at Dog's book here in the office, it doesnt say anything about height bands, it says "place the vortex template anywhere within los" ....."if the vortex runs into 'impassable' terrain it stops at that point" so i assume the deviation ends at that point in time. is a vortex impassable? if so if 2 or more run into each other do they stop?

    If you read my first post, thats what I was saying.  If its alright with you(troy) we will play it that way for now until we hear different.

[joshuaslater]

We can run it by Thom and J.P. at Between Books this weekend, but I'm tellin' ya, it's best to let Southpaw, Coil, Topkick, and some of the old heads around here continue manning the FAQ fort.  Thom's not focused on the gaming biz right now.  He's coming out to events like this to hang with the guys, but I won't pester him constantly for a game that's been stripped from him.  Granted, I did sweat him for Charnel Golem stats (again), but his attention is elsewhere.  We may have to come to an agreement online without him. 

The only problem I see with a Vortex spell being in a height band is that deviation doesn't account for three dimensions.  Compare it also to a Stygian Sandstorm spell which goes up in height, and also blocks line of sight at least a good bit.  I think it's one of those things that could be argued, but if I remember from J.P. beating up on my Devout last time, and asking Thom sitting right next to me, the Vortex didn't block LOS for his archers pincushioning my Necromancer. 

I'd like to hear Coil's take on this. 

[Southpaw]

The only thing that stops it is a piece of solid terrain.  It actually goes along the ground, pulling everything down, so can't be cast on a "height band".  It also doesn't block line of sight.  Having lots of them on the board is half the fun.  I've taken out most of the enemy that way; of course, I took out most of my Devout and ended up losing too, but what fun!!!

Deviation every turn!!

Spoken like a true Devout player. Good Karma to you.

I will do some research on this and see what the book supports. I do agree that crossing vortices do not stop each other, only solid terrain will do that. And yes, the more the merrier is definitely the rule as far as Vortex goes.

I seem to vaguely recall a discussion about the height of Vortex coming up somewhere, memory not withstanding, of course. I will see if I can locate this, and research further.

SP

[joshuaslater]

I feel like a summoner with the speed that you chimed in Southpaw.  The Dark Lord of Lead-Free Pewter himself!

[DogOWar]

We can run it by Thom and J.P. at Between Books this weekend, but I'm tellin' ya, it's best to let Southpaw, Coil, Topkick, and some of the old heads around here continue manning the FAQ fort. Thom's not focused on the gaming biz right now. He's coming out to events like this to hang with the guys, but I won't pester him constantly for a game that's been stripped from him. Granted, I did sweat him for Charnel Golem stats (again), but his attention is elsewhere. We may have to come to an agreement online without him.

The only problem I see with a Vortex spell being in a height band is that deviation doesn't account for three dimensions. Compare it also to a Stygian Sandstorm spell which goes up in height, and also blocks line of sight at least a good bit. I think it's one of those things that could be argued, but if I remember from J.P. beating up on my Devout last time, and asking Thom sitting right next to me, the Vortex didn't block LOS for his archers pincushioning my Necromancer.

I'd like to hear Coil's take on this.

@Joshuaslater--I don't want to hit this to hard, but its been bothering me and I feel I should get this off my chest.
I am alitttle "put out" with myself in the way I've worded a few of my posts, which could mislead you about my intentions.  It is assuredly not my desire or intention to pester Thom about the game.  I've only mentioned him as a kind of "nod" to the effect that I still consider him the man, and to be quite frank, don't expect to hear from him for the time being(on the forum).  I certainly don't want you to think that I look upon you as some sort of "go between", I would not treat anyone in that regard.  I do appreciatie your efforts in regards to the times you have asked him questions.  I still consider the "older" guys on the forum to be the "final solution" when it comes to questions about our game, and thanks to all of them for their efforts.  I've been posting on the charnal golem thread as kind of a lark( hence the song lyrics), which I now see can be seen in a different light. I hope that I didn't make you feel "pressured" to do this, thats not what I intended.  Please don't take this as a rebuke I just wanted to be clear about this so that there won't be any "bad blood".

                                                                       Chris

[joshuaslater]

No bad blood at all.

I'm always impressed by the members of this forum community, and you are most sensitive in this regard.  You have absolutely no reason to feel "put out" by your postings, and you're not pestering me or Thom for that matter.  I talked to him last night and he told me to convey his apologies to the forum for not chiming in more often!! 

We all consider him "the man" and want the best for him.   I suppose I should have worded that better myself, Chris, now that I read my post you quoted.  I didn't intend it as any more than reassuring the forum in our faith in our FAQ team, and that Thom is on the computer about once a month.  I don't even know how often he checks his email.

Regarding the Vortex.  From the mouth of the old Silverback.
1.  It is a ground effect, does not block LOS, does not rise up like a Biblical tower of fire, so it can't affect flyers, and is only stopped by solid terrain.  They will effectively pass through each other if they happen to deviate like that.

Regarding the Charnel Golem.
1.  I've been an actual pest to Thom.  I'm now trying blackmail him, anything, to get the stats for this model.  I'm not strong enough from the gym to take him down yet, but when I am, the stats will be posted. 

2.  Keep the song lyrics coming Chris.  They are too funny, and I will make a point of singing them at him to get this done. 

3.  I hope this has come across the right way Chris, as I don't want any bad blood either.  You've become one of the more vocal members around here, and I hope one day we'll get a game in at some Con out there.

Cheers. 

[Southpaw]

Now we're getting along, and everyone's happy.

Warm group hugs and dead kitties for everyone.

SP

[DogOWar]

No bad blood at all.

I'm always impressed by the members of this forum community, and you are most sensitive in this regard. You have absolutely no reason to feel "put out" by your postings, and you're not pestering me or Thom for that matter. I talked to him last night and he told me to convey his apologies to the forum for not chiming in more often!!

We all consider him "the man" and want the best for him. I suppose I should have worded that better myself, Chris, now that I read my post you quoted. I didn't intend it as any more than reassuring the forum in our faith in our FAQ team, and that Thom is on the computer about once a month. I don't even know how often he checks his email.

Regarding the Vortex. From the mouth of the old Silverback.
1. It is a ground effect, does not block LOS, does not rise up like a Biblical tower of fire, so it can't affect flyers, and is only stopped by solid terrain. They will effectively pass through each other if they happen to deviate like that.

Regarding the Charnel Golem.
1. I've been an actual pest to Thom. I'm now trying blackmail him, anything, to get the stats for this model. I'm not strong enough from the gym to take him down yet, but when I am, the stats will be posted.

2. Keep the song lyrics coming Chris. They are too funny, and I will make a point of singing them at him to get this done.

3. I hope this has come across the right way Chris, as I don't want any bad blood either. You've become one of the more vocal members around here, and I hope one day we'll get a game in at some Con out there.

Cheers.

I have to say Josh that you probably expressed yourself better than I did.  I'm glad that I was wrong about this, I just wanted to make certain that I wasn't stepping on any toes.  I agree with you completely about the members on the forum, just plain ol' good people. 

                                                                        xoxoxoxoxo
                                                                       
                                                                        Chris

P.S.- this is for you Southpaw, xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox

P.S.P.S.-Please send my thanks(vortex question) and warm regards to the silverback.  And thanks to you as well.

[Topkick]

Now we're getting along, and everyone's happy.

Warm group hugs and dead kitties for everyone.

SP

Ahem -  You need to get those dead kitties back Southpaw. I was planning a Stir Fry/Mongolian Bar-B-Que this weekend and now the freezer is empty. Give out the diseased puppies or the horribly disfigured hamsters instead.