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Warzone => Game Questions => Topic started by: Coonan on January 08, 2006, 07:08:28 AM
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The Chasseurs are classified IA, but why the Chasseur Captain are classified mortal?
Sory if my English is not always correct, it is not my mother tongue.
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I would assume that is due to the inherent flexibility in a human mind. As far as I can tell it allows a greater degree of tactical flexibility.
(it's the best answer I can come up with.)
-PFC joe
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Yeah, and it does lead to some debate when the chassuer Capt joins a squad. I.E. whether or not you make a roll on the AI chart.
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Squad based Leadership tests (for AI and whatnot) are tested under the Squad Leaders abilities.
(don't ask about necrobiotics and necroorganics, that thread is somewhere around here... -goes to look-)
-PFC joe
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Yeah, and it does lead to some debate when the chassuer Capt joins a squad. I.E. whether or not you make a roll on the AI chart.
There should be no debate. Chausseurs roll Panic, not Amok. They are only Level 1 A.I., and are, therefore, still mortal, as well.
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Page 34: Cybertronic Enhancements
Q: Page 34 states that here are times when a player may opt to add cybernetic enhancements to a model(s) and when this occurs, theAI rating of the model is increased. By how much? When does my model move from mortal to AI?
A: Each enhancement moves you up one level. No level of enhancement will move you from mortal to AI. If you are mortal, you roll on the moral system. If you are AI, you roll on the AMOK system. If you are mortal with an AI rating, it only means you might be susceptible to certain powers and effects reserved for models with an AI rating.
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They should be Mortal and roll for panic. I thought this was discussed on the old forums and i believe but i'am not 100% think Thom said they were mortals.
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I think I have that in my notes at home. I'll dig through them tommorrow and see what I can find.
-PFC joe
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So, Joe, am I correct in my hinking that there is no debate? Chausseurs roll for Panic, not Amok - correct?
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that's what I'm getting out of this thread...
B.
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There should be no debate. Chausseurs roll Panic, not Amok. They are only Level 1 A.I., and are, therefore, still mortal, as well.
I disagree. In the Chasseurs' description, just under the name, it is written something like : "grunt troopers, 4-12 models per squad, AI
So even if they AI rating is only 1, they must use the AMOK system.
In the AI description, the rules say : "mortal models with an AI rating of 2 or less are still considered mortals". But as I said just before, Chasseurs are not mortal models, but AI.
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That's the rule I use, AI is always AI regardless of level, and mortal is always mortal. As all the mortal cybertronic troopers that have enhancements can only have have one or two.
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I agree. But I would just add one thing : There is the exception of a mortal model which has to be considered as an AI if his AI level is 3 or more. So for me, if a mortal model takes 3 enhancement, according to the rules he has to be considered as a Level 3 AI. But I don't think there is a mortal model who can be allowed to take so many enhancements.
Another thing : Vince Diamond is said to be mortal. But he has a level 3 AI. So in play, I consider him as a level 3 AI.
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shadow, this is directly from the faq.
Page 34: Cybertronic Enhancements
Q: Page 34 states that here are times when a player may opt to add cybernetic enhancements to a model(s) and when this occurs, theAI rating of the model is increased. By how much? When does my model move from mortal to AI?
A: Each enhancement moves you up one level. No level of enhancement will move you from mortal to AI. If you are mortal, you roll on the moral system. If you are AI, you roll on the AMOK system. If you are mortal with an AI rating, it only means you might be susceptible to certain powers and effects reserved for models with an AI rating.
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Hmmm... OK.
So could you please give me your opinion about Vince Diamond? Mortal or AI ?
If you are mortal with an AI rating, it only means you might be susceptible to certain powers and effects reserved for models with an AI rating.
To help me understand the FAQ better, does someone have an example of such powers or effects?
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The DragonSwill gun that Yojimbo carries forces AMOK checks on AI models, so a mortal model with an AI rating would check for AMOK there.
And Vince Diamond is a mortal. Albeit a very enhanced one.
-PFC joe
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So even if they are mortal models, on the particular case of the Dragonwill Gun for example they are subjects to the AMOK system? It seems to go against the rule "if you are mortal, you use the morale system". Wouldn't it be more logic for them to make a panic test instead of an AMOK check?
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The DragonSwill gun forces AMOK checks on AI systems. the meaty bits get worried about the loss of their cybersystems. the AI bits get worried and shoot anything moving or just BSOD.
-even in the future nothing works-
-PFC joe
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I checked the rules, the only model that can take 3 enhancements are the reavers, and they are AI.
Also joe, Machinators MKII are AI level 2 (not 3 like the MKI) and I don't think that they could even come close to being qualified as mortal.
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Machinators MKII are very much a robot, just with a human controller in some remote location. It makes sense that this unit would have to roll for Amok because in the field attacks would make the hardware go all haywire...
but the Dragonswill gun makes Cybertronic mortal models make Amok tests?...might have to pick Yojimbo up now.
B.
does that mean that Mirrormen have to test as well?...
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Pfcjoe do we have a final answer if Chasseurs are AI's or Mortal?
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I'm checkin in with Thom this weekend so hopefully soon.
-PFC joe
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HALLO! The final answer is still missing!!!!
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I will check in on this with Thom either this weekend or next.
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Final still answer missing!!! Is there any update?
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Unfortunately, the meeting with Thom did not happen, and finding the time to get together is difficult, lately. I have not forgotten, and cannot rule on this without advice from those whose intent was the impetus for the entry.
If it were, solely, up to me, I would rule, and you'd have an answer. I know that you have been very patient, thus far, unfortunately, real life conspires against us.