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Title: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: Coonan on January 08, 2006, 07:08:28 AM
The Chasseurs are classified IA, but why the Chasseur Captain are classified mortal?

Sory if my English is not always correct, it is not my mother tongue.
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: PFC joe on January 08, 2006, 07:19:22 AM
I would assume that is due to the inherent flexibility in a human mind.  As far as I can tell it allows a greater degree of tactical flexibility.

(it's the best answer I can come up with.)

-PFC joe
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: WarlordtheFT on January 10, 2006, 09:58:44 AM
Yeah, and it does lead to some debate when the chassuer Capt joins a squad.  I.E. whether or not  you make a roll on the AI chart.
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: PFC joe on January 10, 2006, 02:10:48 PM
Squad based Leadership tests (for AI and whatnot) are tested under the Squad Leaders abilities. 

(don't ask about necrobiotics and necroorganics, that thread is somewhere around here... -goes to look-)

-PFC joe
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: dmcgee1 on January 10, 2006, 03:58:55 PM
Yeah, and it does lead to some debate when the chassuer Capt joins a squad.  I.E. whether or not  you make a roll on the AI chart.

There should be no debate.  Chausseurs roll Panic, not Amok.  They are only Level 1 A.I., and are, therefore, still mortal, as well.
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: PFC joe on January 10, 2006, 04:06:51 PM
Page 34: Cybertronic Enhancements
Q: Page 34 states that here are times when a player may opt to add cybernetic enhancements to a model(s) and when this occurs, theAI rating of the model is increased. By how much? When does my model move from mortal to AI?

A: Each enhancement moves you up one level. No level of enhancement will move you from mortal to AI. If you are mortal, you roll on the moral system. If you are AI, you roll on the AMOK system. If you are mortal with an AI rating, it only means you might be susceptible to certain powers and effects reserved for models with an AI rating.
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: Dragon62 on January 10, 2006, 04:09:34 PM
They should be Mortal and roll for panic. I thought this was discussed on the old forums and i believe but i'am not 100% think Thom said they were mortals.
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: PFC joe on January 10, 2006, 04:34:10 PM
I think I have that in my notes at home.  I'll dig through them tommorrow and see what I can find.

-PFC joe
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: dmcgee1 on January 10, 2006, 05:30:41 PM
So, Joe, am I correct in my hinking that there is no debate?  Chausseurs roll for Panic, not Amok - correct?
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: Sylvas on January 10, 2006, 07:45:28 PM
that's what I'm getting out of this thread...

B.
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: Shadow__ on January 11, 2006, 05:50:32 AM
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There should be no debate.  Chausseurs roll Panic, not Amok.  They are only Level 1 A.I., and are, therefore, still mortal, as well.

I disagree. In the Chasseurs' description, just under the name, it is written something like : "grunt troopers, 4-12 models per squad,  AI

So even if they AI rating is only 1, they must use the AMOK system.

In the AI description, the rules say : "mortal models with an AI rating of 2 or less are still considered mortals". But as I said just before, Chasseurs are not mortal models, but AI.
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: WarlordtheFT on January 11, 2006, 09:33:20 AM
That's the rule I use,  AI is always AI regardless of level, and mortal is always mortal. As all the mortal cybertronic troopers that have enhancements can only have have one or two.
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: Shadow__ on January 11, 2006, 10:47:51 AM
I agree. But I would just add one thing : There is the exception of a mortal model which has to be considered as an AI if his AI level is 3 or more. So for me, if a mortal model takes 3 enhancement, according to the rules he has to be considered as a Level 3 AI. But I don't think there is a mortal model who can be allowed to take so many enhancements.

Another thing : Vince Diamond is said to be mortal. But he has a level 3 AI. So in play, I consider him as a level 3 AI.
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: PFC joe on January 11, 2006, 10:59:30 AM
shadow, this is directly from the faq.

Page 34: Cybertronic Enhancements
Q: Page 34 states that here are times when a player may opt to add cybernetic enhancements to a model(s) and when this occurs, theAI rating of the model is increased. By how much? When does my model move from mortal to AI?

A: Each enhancement moves you up one level. No level of enhancement will move you from mortal to AI. If you are mortal, you roll on the moral system. If you are AI, you roll on the AMOK system. If you are mortal with an AI rating, it only means you might be susceptible to certain powers and effects reserved for models with an AI rating.
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: Shadow__ on January 11, 2006, 12:44:25 PM
Hmmm... OK.

So could you please give me your opinion about Vince Diamond? Mortal or AI ?

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If you are mortal with an AI rating, it only means you might be susceptible to certain powers and effects reserved for models with an AI rating.

To help me understand the FAQ better, does someone have an example of such powers or effects?
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: PFC joe on January 11, 2006, 12:49:54 PM
The DragonSwill gun that Yojimbo carries forces AMOK checks on AI models, so a mortal model with an AI rating would check for AMOK there.

And Vince Diamond is a mortal.  Albeit a very enhanced one.

-PFC joe
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: Shadow__ on January 11, 2006, 02:47:11 PM
So even if they are mortal models, on the particular case of the Dragonwill Gun for example they are subjects to the AMOK system? It seems to go against the rule "if you are mortal, you use the morale system". Wouldn't it be more logic for them to make a panic test instead of an AMOK check?
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: PFC joe on January 11, 2006, 02:54:51 PM
The DragonSwill gun forces AMOK checks on AI systems.  the meaty bits get worried about the loss of their cybersystems.  the AI bits get worried and shoot anything moving or just BSOD.

-even in the future nothing works-

-PFC joe
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: WarlordtheFT on January 11, 2006, 06:25:25 PM
I checked the rules, the only model that can take 3 enhancements are the reavers, and they are AI.


Also joe, Machinators MKII are AI level 2 (not 3 like the MKI) and I don't think that they could even come close to being qualified as mortal.


Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: Sylvas on January 12, 2006, 07:14:33 PM
Machinators MKII are very much a robot, just with a human controller in some remote location.  It makes sense that this unit would have to roll for Amok because in the field attacks would make the hardware go all haywire...

but the Dragonswill gun makes Cybertronic mortal models make Amok tests?...might have to pick Yojimbo up now.

B.
does that mean that Mirrormen have to test as well?...
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: Dragon62 on January 13, 2006, 03:26:28 PM
Pfcjoe do we have a final answer if Chasseurs are AI's or Mortal?
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: PFC joe on January 13, 2006, 03:35:43 PM
I'm checkin in with Thom this weekend so hopefully soon.

-PFC joe
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: micmellon on May 04, 2011, 05:38:22 AM
HALLO! The final answer is still missing!!!!
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: dmcgee1 on May 06, 2011, 09:18:29 AM
I will check in on this with Thom either this weekend or next.
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: micmellon on July 28, 2011, 06:55:52 AM
Final still answer missing!!! Is there any update?
Title: Re: Cybertronic Chasseurs and Chasseur Captain
Post by: dmcgee1 on August 03, 2011, 11:00:45 AM
Unfortunately, the meeting with Thom did not happen, and finding the time to get together is difficult, lately.  I have not forgotten, and cannot rule on this without advice from those whose intent was the impetus for the entry.

If it were, solely, up to me, I would rule, and you'd have an answer.  I know that you have been very patient, thus far, unfortunately, real life conspires against us.