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Warzone => Game Questions => Topic started by: Lopis on December 17, 2007, 09:13:37 AM
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OK, I hope this wasnīt asked before didnīt find it answered the way I would like it.....
Inspiration isnīt usable for the initiative Rolls.
But is it usable for other rolls than morale checks?
Lets say a Division commander LD 13 with inspiration:2 is in command distance of the seargeant of a squad of grunts.
Can they use the enhanced Leadership of the Division commander for spot rolls or TacSense rolls ?
Or again only for the morale checks?
Because the Divisional commander could anyway rally the grunts without the roll.
Seems a pretty useless SA for me ???
Thanks in advance
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Yes, there are lots of non-morale related situations that cause LD tests:
Spotting
Jumping Down from large heights
Avoiding Damage from falling models
Firing from Wait
Dive for Cover
And that's just a few over the first few pages. Inspiration can be quite useful.
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Thatīs what I wanted to hear.
That itīs NOT usable only for morale checks.
Not for Initiative either, but I can live with that.
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And that's just a few over the first few pages. Inspiration can be quite useful.
not sure, but i think inspiration is only for morale..
so, itīs efficiently LD of officer + insp for morale.
the question i would like to know:
officer1 = LD 15
officer2 = LD 14 + insp2
a) what if officer1 is in command dist from officer2 _with inspiration_, does officer1s LD increase (yes) and troops in _his_ comm dist can profit even if they are not in comm dist. of officer2 ??
-> i think yes, as officer1 gets the bonus and troops can use his effective LD (reverse, if his LD is reduced, it also affects his leading abilities)
b) troops in comm dist of officer2 _and_ officer1, but officer1 not in comm dist of officer2
what happens?
-> i think 15 (from off1) +2 (gained from off2) is right
i love this ability, even if only for morale.. the blood & gut is really nice for capitol..
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Based upon the wording, it's not entirely clear whether it is strictly for morale or not. I'll check the FAQ.
It does state to "enforce Morale", in the fluff of the ability, but the ability rules simply states adds to LD within command radius.
SP
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After checking the FAQ and finding no entry, I went back to the book.
P. 75
Inspiration (Level 1-5)
Some Officers or Individuals project such an aura of authority, intimidation, or are so respected in the eys of their peers/underlings, that they can motivate others and enforce Morale during times of distress and panic. Leaders with this ability may add their level of Inspiration to the effective LD value for both themselves and friendly models within their command radius.
By my understanding of the rule and the fluff, it seems as if this may be used for any LD test where the above criteria are met. After all, it does state, "...motivate others and enforce Morale..." Motivating others can clearly be read to mean that the ability may be used to add to effective LD for things such as Wait, Dive for Cover, Dire, Panic, Rally, et al.
It could, even, be argued that it could be used for Initiative. I will get back to you on that one.
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Just my 2 cents, but I believe it is only for Morale. "motivate others and enforce Morale (which is in cap's) during times of distress and panic" There is no mention of Initiative or of LD test. Dire, Panic, Rally are Morale checks. If Inspiration affected Init. then we wouldn't need Strategic Insight. I think special abilities aren't as wide spectrum as covering all LD and Morale rolls. This is my take on the ability. ;D ;D
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After checking the FAQ and finding no entry, I went back to the book.
P. 75
Inspiration (Level 1-5)
Some Officers or Individuals project such an aura of authority, intimidation, or are so respected in the eys of their peers/underlings, that they can motivate others and enforce Morale during times of distress and panic. Leaders with this ability may add their level of Inspiration to the effective LD value for both themselves and friendly models within their command radius.
By my understanding of the rule and the fluff, it seems as if this may be used for any LD test where the above criteria are met. After all, it does state, "...motivate others and enforce Morale..." Motivating others can clearly be read to mean that the ability may be used to add to effective LD for things such as Wait, Dive for Cover, Dire, Panic, Rally, et al.
It could, even, be argued that it could be used for Initiative. I will get back to you on that one.
That is how I read it, as well.
SP
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Please show me where in the fluff it says all LD test. I see where it says Morale and where it says the level of ability is added is added to LD of the model with the ability and those within command distance, but no mention of LD test or Initiative rolls. I'll PM Thom to see which way he intended it to work.
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page 75:
"Leaders with this ability may add their level of inspiration to the effective LD value for both themselves and friendly models within their command radius"
What leads me to the next wuestion regarding the inspiration....
Whether it is usable for all LD tests or not ....is it cumulative?
Letīs say a Mounted Hussar Bannerman and Max Steiner...... or two Bannermen?
Greets
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Please show me where in the fluff it says all LD test. I see where it says Morale and where it says the level of ability is added is added to LD of the model with the ability and those within command distance, but no mention of LD test or Initiative rolls. I'll PM Thom to see which way he intended it to work.
I did show it, Phil...
For your perusal, again ;)
After checking the FAQ and finding no entry, I went back to the book.
P. 75
Inspiration (Level 1-5)
Some Officers or Individuals project such an aura of authority, intimidation, or are so respected in the eys of their peers/underlings, that they can motivate others and enforce Morale during times of distress and panic. Leaders with this ability may add their level of Inspiration to the effective LD value for both themselves and friendly models within their command radius.
By my understanding of the rule and the fluff, it seems as if this may be used for any LD test where the above criteria are met. After all, it does state, "...motivate others and enforce Morale..." Motivating others can clearly be read to mean that the ability may be used to add to effective LD for things such as Wait, Dive for Cover, Dire, Panic, Rally, et al.
It could, even, be argued that it could be used for Initiative. I will get back to you on that one.
Adding to the effective LD stats of themselves and the friendlies within Command Distance yields "all LD tests," while the fluff also says, "motivate and enforce Morale."
To me, that means all LD tests. No mention is made of this affecting only Morale. Motivation includes things like, "To the victor goes the spoils, you dogs - now take that hill!" and "Watch your step," and "HIT THE DECK!" and "Fire at anything that moves!" - not just, "Get a grip and get back in the battle, soldier!"
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It's the "during times of distress and panic" that leads me to believe it only affects issues of Morale. I'am not saying your wrong, I just personally dont read it as covering all LD test or Initiative. I PM'ed Thom to see what he has to say. ;) ;)
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Cool, I welcome Thom's input.
As for the "...distress and panic," I would consider it very distressing to have to climb a hill, expose myself to enemy fire, and have no idea what was waiting for me at the top of the hill. My sergeant would be "inspiring" me not to give a dang, and climb the hill anyway. He would be improving my morale by adding to my LD.
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It's the "during times of distress and panic" that leads me to believe it only affects issues of Morale. I'am not saying your wrong, I just personally dont read it as covering all LD test or Initiative. I PM'ed Thom to see what he has to say. ;) ;)
AS one who's been shot at, I know thats a distressing situation. It's also why I think most American Troops have Resolve 2. :)
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Anyone heard back from Thom, yet? I am curious to see if intent overrules the actual letter of the rules, here.
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... My sergeant would be "inspiring" me not to give a dang, and climb the hill anyway. He would be improving my morale by adding to my LD.
And by adding some kiwi boot polish to you colon perhaps?
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... My sergeant would be "inspiring" me not to give a dang, and climb the hill anyway. He would be improving my morale by adding to my LD.
And by adding some kiwi boot polish to you colon perhaps?
Wouldn't be the first time orders were applied via swift kick -- won't be the last.
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Haven't hread from Thom yet but in looking through the SA's it appears that Dire is Inspires evil twin. When reading Beheading Causes Dire to enemy's in Command Distance and Inspires friendly within same. Both have ratings 1-5 and Dire clearly say Morale Test, maybe under Inspiration it was just omitted. I also noted under Dissention it states "any roll that involes LD" so shouldn't it say the same under Inspiration if it is to cover all LD test.
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Just to let this question not vanish in the deeps of the forum.
No official answer ?
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Until and unless otherwise ruled upon from on high, the official answer is, exactly, as the rules state.
See my post of the rule.
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HHHHHAAAaaaaaalllllloooooo.......
Is Inspiration for morale or for all LD tests?
Is Inspiration cumulative?
Still no answer from Thom?
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Until and unless otherwise ruled upon from on high, the official answer is, exactly, as the rules state.
See my post of the rule.
Which part of tis is not acceptable as an answer? ;D
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The rule and the discussion in this topic doesn't answer the question if inspiration is cumulative or not. ???
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The rule and the discussion in this topic doesn't answer the question if inspiration is cumulative or not. ???
Cumulative with what?
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With itself...
I think it is not, but the questions is there:
page 75:
"Leaders with this ability may add their level of inspiration to the effective LD value for both themselves and friendly models within their command radius"
What leads me to the next wuestion regarding the inspiration....
Whether it is usable for all LD tests or not ....is it cumulative?
Letīs say a Mounted Hussar Bannerman and Max Steiner...... or two Bannermen?
Greets
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It is not cumulative with itself; simply choose which model is doing the inspiring.