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Warzone => Game Questions => Topic started by: Gravel on December 04, 2007, 10:18:05 PM
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I still have not finished reading the UWZ rulebook so forgive me if this question sounds noobish. What reasons would there be for two corporations to fight each other? Like what would a typical scenario in say mars would be between Capitol and Bahaus? Or in some other planet between Imperial and Bahaus?
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Acquistions and merger operations. Say if Bauhaus surveyors come across a mineral deposit and stake a claim. Capitol contests this, arguing the mineral are on Capitol held land and is rightfully theirs. Doesn't matter if Capitol does own the land, let the legal teams of both megacorp tie each other up with the Cartel to sort it out. Meanwhile both megacorp surreptitiously mobilise troops to the area in order to sieze the land.
That's one scenario that comes to mind.
Jase
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Possession is nine-tenths of the law, even in the far future. The best example is when Imperial tried to seize Valley Forge; Capitol's largest metal refining facility. They thought they could sweep in and take the place but it was a complete disaster. The initial attack seized some territory, but did not completely overwhealm the defenders. Capitol's subsequent counter-attack completely overran the Imperial forces. It was Imperials largest corporate loss to date.
Minor scenarios also include:
Hostage/prisoner rescue
A traitor or agent has been captured by enemy corporate forces and has valuable plans of a new product or financial strategy. This person must be recaptured or killed at all costs.
Industrial Sabotage
The production of a corporation's top selling wicket centers around a certain part, which in turn need something made at one particular facility; destory it and you will set you enemy back financially in this sector for years, in time for your version to make it to market.
Interlopers
The enemy corporation has established a trading post inside your territory and your citizens are spending their hard-earned dollars on cheap foreign products. For their own good this has to be stopped and the intruders taught a lesson. Permanently.
All-Out War
The enemy thinks they can seize this vital industrial sector. They were wrong. Numerous objectives could be involved such as am important bottle-neck (a bridge head for example) or simply holding the enemy off until reinforcements arrive. Corporate war does not have to be so different from nation war.
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Cool. What about urban combat? What would make one corporation attack or invade a major corporate city?
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Could be a major port city, or the hub to a financial circuit or something. Imperial's control of Fukido on Mercury comes to mind.
Jase
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... forgive me if this question sounds noobish.
Newb! Just kidding. As long as you are a newb and not a noob, all is well.
The difference between newb and noob:
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Hostage/prisoner rescue
A traitor or agent has been captured by enemy corporate forces and has valuable plans of a new product or financial strategy. This person must be recaptured or killed at all costs.
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Cool. What about urban combat? What would make one corporation attack or invade a major corporate city?
Try this on for size:
Commander Dyson looked over the intel reports. Pictures and reports were scattered over the table next to him, surrounding a terrain model of the city. His corporate foes had set up a hidden information collections point in the middle of downtown San Dorado. This would not be tolerated. Intel reports had not suggested a significant presence at the site. He turned to his subordinates. "Your men are in position?" The two officers nodded, "Sir, we rented two Mover's trucks and a standard plumming van-our troops are waiting for the signal." The Commander nodded. "Very well. Give the order to preceed." The men nodded and spoke briefly into a radio. Suddenly a picture caught the Commander's eye. It dated two days prior and showed two rental trucks...just like the ones his men had hired. "Quickly-abort the mission!" "It's too late sir! Our men are taking heavy fire!" The Commander slumped down in a chair. "Very well, call in the reinforcements!"
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i think one of the ways they tried justifying intercorporate skirmishes in the mutant chonicles fluff was by emphasizing how scattered the corporations were throughout the solar system. that is, the corporations on the "small scale" could engage in conflicts in one area without it being the "whole" corporation going off to war, while the corporations as a whole even continued engaging in trade at the same time. with mishima, for example, you have the three lord heirs doing their own things on their home turfs (mercury, venus, or mars), duking it out with other corporations indirectly through only one of their vassals, who might engage in border skirmishes with capitol on mars, for example, or try to take an isolated research facility from cybertronic, etc.
in the capitol fow, for example, it also casually mentions how the government can engage in small to medium sized battles at a regional level, without really involving capitol as a whole. when it gets bigger, though, then its taken to the top levels of the capitol political structure.
but then there are also scenarios which are not supposed to work at all, such as the brotherhood fighting anyone other than cybertronic or the dark legion. you would then have to come up with (if you cared) a good fluff excuse, such as it turns out commander so-and-so was a heretic of semai who brainwashed all the soldiers under his command or something.
finally, theres the fact that wz is set in the start of the second corporate wars... so no excuses for corporations to attack each other if youre including that as part of your fluff background.
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Follow this link to review the scenario Seige of the J. Edgar Hoover Building
http://forum54.oli.us/index.php?topic=334.0
Other Scenario ideas -
Assault on LP - 386
Prior to the main asault, an enemy listening/observation post must be silenced to insure total surprize.
The following trilogy of scenarios was written for Capitol vs Bauhaus but can work for any 2 Corps
Operation Prodigal Son
A corporate spy has been captured and is entroute to an interrogation center. This agent must be rescued if possible but must not be allowed to be interrogated.
Run thru the Jungle
Having completed the mission, Capitol force must escape the Bauhaus search and destroy teams and renezvous with their extraction.
Dust-off
Having made it to the rendezvous point, the Capitol Assault Team must hold their position until their helo extraction can arrive on station.
Other Scenarios -
Assault on Ice Station Asimov
A science research station is suspected of being a secret intell Center. Your orders are to destroy the station and leave evidence of Dark Legion activity.
The Most Dangerous Game
Forced to withdraw, a Corp leaves a Sniper and a support squad behind to assassinate high ranking officers as the victors enter the city.
Mexican Stand-off
The Cartel has called for negotiations to settle a dispute. Both sides are allowed to bring a small protection force. At the meeting site things go south and a bloodbath ensues.
An Ill Wind
Centuries ago the Imperial dreadnaught Zephyr disappeared with all hands leaving no trace or explaination. Two days ago a derelict vessel was reported floating foward the Jupiter belt. The emergency transponder has identified the vessel as the Zephyr. The Brotherhood Edict forbides travel beyond the belt, but whoever claims the Zephyr will gain valuable salvage and information. This is a multi-player scenario as Corps violate the Edict and board the Zephyr resulting in a giant free-for-all on the derelict space vessel.
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I guess there are ongoing border disputes as well on places like Mars?
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Yeah they have those pesky little disputes too.
Fog of War
Two patrols are returning to their own lines when the stumble into one another. Typically this scenario is run using the night rules to represent dense morning fog.
Operation Broken Arrow
An unmanned recon drone that utilizes forbidden technology went down in the Venusian jungle. It is imperative that this technology be recovered before the Brotherhood or a rival corporation can discover the truth. Your orders are simple – recover the technology if possible and leave no evidence or witnesses.
The Guns of Ganymede
Cybertronic has developed a new super-weapon; one capable of destroying starships. These guns, built on an artificial asteroid, are positioned to control the Queen’s Road, Ganymede’s main space lane. These guns must be destroyed. While the Imperial Navy provides a distraction, a strike force of Imperial Regulars and Golden Lions must land on the asteroid and destroy the guns before Cybertronic’s blockade forces Imperial to surrender Ganymede
Spoils of War
Sandstorms in the Southern desert have been known to flail the skin from a man in minutes. A major sandstorm looms on the horizon and the only possible haven from the storm is an abandoned outpost in the valley below. Unfortunately others are racing down the dunes to occupy it. To survive, you must kill those who would deny you the safety of the outpost.
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Reasons to fight are as old as time. A good scenario to use is the old " meeting to exchange/buy/sell something'" with a double cross thrown in. And the need to escape with said item.
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On page 157 of the UWZ book there is mention of something called the Freedom Lands, but nothing else explained as to what exactly they are. Anyone know what the Liberation of the Freedom Lands is supposed to be?
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The Freedomlands are Captolspeak for any Capitol territories, specifically ones that they traditionally consider their own, that have been taken from them. That would be roughly all of Mars they are not currently in control of.
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i dunno if the freedom lands changed in uwz, but in the capitol sourcebook it says theyre "the vast, cultivated areas irrigated by the northern canals. They are a thinly populated area of ranches and tiny communities serviced by the canals and railroad... They are the most famous examples of Capitol's doctrine of tolerance. Here are enclaves of settlers fom all over the system, who have come here to escape persecution and practice many strange faiths and philosophies. The only things forbidden here are involvement with Dark Symmetry and gross violations of others' civil rights. Despite the vigilance of the Brotherhood and the CBI, there are persistent rumors of entire towns that have gone over to the Dark. Now and then, travelers report sighting towns that have been bombed flat, so perhaps these rumors contain some truth."
fudge yeah.
oh, and i think the mutant chronicles setting is "before" the second corporate wars, which were really just amde up to justify the constant battling in warzone, as opposed to the rpginga round the solar system in mc, so liberating the freedom lands would make sense in uwz.
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Now that's a perfect excuse for urban combat! Even if they're small downs but think of todays conflicts in small ruined mid-east towns and you'll get the idea. Also, would it be possible for other Corporations around mars to 'liberate' these freedom lands themselves? They would be doing this for the cause of fighting the Dark Legion ofcourse, but also to gain territory. Would there also be precious resources here? Speaking of which, what exactly are the resources (other than land and people) that the corporations are after?
About the Capitol source book, that was during 2nd edition right? Did the previous editions take place in the same timeline as UWZ? Thanks for all your info so far.
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Also, would it be possible for other Corporations around mars to 'liberate' these freedom lands themselves? They would be doing this for the cause of fighting the Dark Legion of course, but also to gain territory.
If a member of one of the communities was the child of a ranking member of another Corp then I would assume that Corp would want to investigate anything that happened to that town. They might also want to extract their undercover operative who is in danger of being taken. Another option could be that a Corp has discovered that one of their citizens who moved to the Freedomlands is actually a cultist of the Dark Legion. Rather than risk being exposed to scrutiny by the Brotherhood the Corp in question opts to destroy the village and make it look like a Dark Legion assault.
Would there also be precious resources here? Speaking of which, what exactly are the resources (other than land and people) that the corporations are after?
The same operative mentioned above could have gotten his hands on a geological survey that pinpoints a rich lode of ore or other precious material. Or the village could be a cover for a highjacking operation. Either way, the Corp in question gets notified of a rich shipment is nearby and the Corp in question could hit it and tranfer the shipment to a cargo lander to take it to an orbiting spaceship. A Corp could also just be raiding a train shipment and when extraction goes wrong they take refuge in one of the small towns and battle ensues.
In all the above scenarios the opponet to the unamed Corp would be Capitol. It would be possible to mix it up and have the Cartel or Brotherhood investigating the plots outlined above with minimal changes to the scenario.
About the Capitol source book, that was during 2nd edition right? Did the previous editions take place in the same timeline as UWZ? Thanks for all your info so far.
All the miniature versions of Warzone take space within the same time frame I believe.
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So there is not one specific and very important resource that Corporations would fight over? Nothing like oil or anything like that?
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Hello
The Corporations are concerned with two things money and pride/honor. If something has value they will fight over it. Technology, resources, land, people are things they will fight for. There are corporations with a great deal of pride/honor and they will fight to avenge an insult, just to hurt an opponent to prove their superiority. And they will fight to prove themselves. Mishima , Bauhaus and Imperial will especially do that.
wmeredith
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So there is not one specific and very important resource that Corporations would fight over? Nothing like oil or anything like that?
While all natural resources are important Tritium is probably the rarest and most highly sought after, as it effects the ability to channel spells when refined. Check page 114 of the UWZ for the scenario called Tritium Hunt. It will give you all the details. Your small town could be a cover for a Tritium collection point for a Corp.
The same scenario has proven popular with Chronopia players under the title Tears of Blood
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Also, would it be possible for other Corporations around mars to 'liberate' these freedom lands themselves? They would be doing this for the cause of fighting the Dark Legion ofcourse, but also to gain territory.
Imperial used this as an excuse to raid other corporations' territories throughout the solar system, especially cybertronic's, which is disliked by the brotherhood.
About the Capitol source book, that was during 2nd edition right? Did the previous editions take place in the same timeline as UWZ? Thanks for all your info so far.
the capitol sourcebook i quoted from is actually a mutant chronicles book, which was the rpg that the warzone tabletop wargame is a spinoff of. whats interesting about the mutant chronicles stuff is that the system, though threatened by the dark legion, is not in a state of all-out intercorporate war. i think they then came up with the second corporate wars when warzone came out. not entirely sure about that though.
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Unlike Dune with its spice or Command and Conquer with Tiberium, there is no one substance that makes the MC universe go around. Food, minerals, fuel (of any kind); anything that can be used to make a profit or minimize expenses is a substance to be fought over so there are endless reasons to seize a particular objective. Of course if it can be seized, it can be "liberated".