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Warzone => Open Discussion => Topic started by: veebo on October 12, 2005, 08:13:13 AM

Title: First edition
Post by: veebo on October 12, 2005, 08:13:13 AM
Hey ya!

I have the first ed of warzone rulebook ( not enough money to buy 3rd ed yet, and i think that the old one is too legendary not to be used any more)

So I have these two problems.

Is 3rd edition chasseur same as 1st edtion chasseur? In first edition chasseur looks like the new 3rds armoured chasseur( the big one with two guns ). So is it same?

Is 3rd edition capitol "light infantry" same as the "infantry"?  Though my version is finnish so it can be possible that the "jalkavški" means light infantry but im not sure. Any thoughts?

Im from finland btw.
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Gallagher_Standard_Barer on October 12, 2005, 01:14:22 PM
Do you mean are they represented on the gaming table by the same models or are they statistically the same?

The first edition infantry are the baseball cap wearing minis and no those are not used at all in UWZ, though I don't think many opponents would have a problem with you using them as Light infantry.

What I remember as 1st ed chassuers are now people's volunteers, though that wasn't "a big one with two guns" so we're probably thinking of different minis.  Sorry that isn't more helpful.

As for the statistics, no they are completely different.  In first it wasn't uncommon for a unit to have MW (the 1st ed equivilent to RC) of 15, while in UWZ an 11 is rare and the average is probably 8 or 9.
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: PFC joe on October 12, 2005, 01:33:26 PM
I think he means the now   enhanced Chasseur (http://www.excelsiorentertainment.com/images/images_28053//Cybertronic/NEW/EXE-60506-A.jpg) units.  and no, there're nothing like their first edition counterparts.

As for the old baseball capped infantry, for the most part they can be either Capitol Infantry or just shifted over and turned into Cartel Peacekeepers.

-PFC joe
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: veebo on October 13, 2005, 03:46:28 AM
Could you be so nice to tell me stats of new chasseurs and stormtroopers(and evrything i need to use them).

I dont mind if you think thats not right and I should buy the 3rd edition. But it would be nice to try those units, until I have enough money to buy the new rulesbook. 

If I purchase the rulebook from USA( I didnt find any retailers from EU), I need to pay for rate of duty and that will cost a lot.
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Topkick on October 13, 2005, 05:03:01 AM
There is a thread covering the European distributors in the Excelsior General Discussion Forum. Here is a link http://forum54.oli.us/index.php?topic=51.0
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Coil on October 13, 2005, 05:15:54 AM
Check out the thread Topkick linked to for ways to get UWZ from European retailers.

Just having the statlines wont give you enough to play them. While stats have changed between 1st and UWZ (mostly stats being cut) the important differences are in the rules.

/Andreas
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Steel Rabbit on October 13, 2005, 10:26:19 AM
Yah, you should save your coin and get the rulebook, dude, you'll be doing yourself a favor most of all. The 1st edition rulebook is nice and all, but it's a collectors' item now and not much else.
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: veebo on October 13, 2005, 11:17:30 AM
Oh I thought theres no european retailers...Got that!

I have two copys of 1st edition rulebook and the expansion dark eden... Im so cool ;D

Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Vingthor on October 13, 2005, 12:18:47 PM
Some people still play first edition, so the books are a little more than just collectors editions.


 PMP Ving


Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Catinator on October 13, 2005, 10:26:00 PM
Yep. The First Edition is a legend. Excellent Artwork, very nice book. The rules were revolutionary that time. It`s a shame they got into the power spiral. Glad I have it on the shelf.   ;D

3rd or Ultimate Edition: Might look expensive, but IMHO well worth the price. About 3 times the thickness of the 1st. Ed. Background mostly intact and expanded, troops from 1st and 2nd ed. incorporated with some new added to the lists as well. Basic game mechanics are the same but enhanced to cover more situations.

The original "Infantry" could be used as Light Infantry but by the look the helmeted versions would be closer to the Heavy Infantry.

Chasseurs: Not as powerful as in the 1st ed. they are still a good and solid troop you can count on. Back than they were a bit of dissappointment as in RPG almost all Chasseurs we have seen wore heavy armour.

There are new Chasseur figs - more clothes but not that much armour.

The "armoured" Chasseurs were the "Enhanced Chasseurs" in the first ed too. Not the best of the figs, but gamewise very useful.

Check out the on-line store too!

Greetings,

                    Catinator
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: veebo on October 14, 2005, 03:28:00 AM
Got that.
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: UrbanShocker on October 14, 2005, 08:20:47 AM

The original "Infantry" could be used as Light Infantry but by the look the helmeted versions would be closer to the Heavy Infantry.


When it comes to the orginal Capitol Infantry scuplts, the ones with the football helmets are the heavy infantry, while the ones with the baseball caps are supposed to be the light infantry.  Which is tough to tell if you never knew about as the models are the same except for the head.  The football sculpts are also used for the orginal sea lions.  So unless you have the key to decipher the orginal Capitiol models it's pretty easy to end up using them as something else and never knowing the difference. And what they are being used for in UWZ.

Orginal Sealions. (Football players with heads with bandanna's)  now Admiral Colby's guards.
Orginal Infanty (Cartel Peace Keppers)

I believe that sums most of the models for capitol that here arcause most of the confusion.
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: veebo on October 14, 2005, 11:45:41 AM
Capitol doesnt have enough money to hire "real" mercanerys so they need to use baseball- and bowl teams. ;)
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Sylvas on October 14, 2005, 05:58:38 PM


The original "Infantry" could be used as Light Infantry but by the look the helmeted versions would be closer to the Heavy Infantry.


I personally use the San Dorado nine as a Freedom Brigade.

Also, the football playing heavys are a good substitute for Airborne Rangers.

B
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: UrbanShocker on October 14, 2005, 11:09:46 PM
Capitol doesnt have enough money to hire "real" mercanerys so they need to use baseball- and bowl teams. ;)


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Title: Re: First edition
Post by: PFC joe on October 14, 2005, 11:36:47 PM
The only Stock options that I need are Folding and Fixed and the only Collateral I can offer in exchange is of the Damage kind.

-PFC joe
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Timthetekron on October 18, 2005, 08:42:49 PM
...LOL...that's hilarious!                                                                                     

But seriously, why use a 12 step marketing program when you can just kill them and turn them into legionaires or capture them and transfigure them into necromutants, centurions or other things your feeble megacorporate mind can barely comprehend? Oh, that's right...only the DARK LEGION has that power!

                                  THE DARK SOUL IS LAUGHING...
                                 
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: PFC joe on October 18, 2005, 08:56:36 PM
keep the Dark Soul laughing.

he won't notice when I steal his wallet and flirt with his daughter.

-PFC joe
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Timthetekron on October 20, 2005, 08:18:27 PM
...her name is ILIAN and she has children...they like to play too!

   mua...muahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: PFC joe on October 20, 2005, 11:23:48 PM
whoa hey single moms.. try to stay away before ya start playin the role of daddy.


then again..

you know she puts out.

-PFC joe
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Coil on October 21, 2005, 12:06:12 AM
LOL
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Timthetekron on October 22, 2005, 10:12:41 PM
...oh the humanity.  :D
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: PFC joe on October 22, 2005, 11:52:54 PM
I'll get to the rest of humanity later, fer now i'm lookin at that fine, pale horny lady.


-PFC joe


(what?  read the fiction, the Horns are braided back into her hair)
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Timthetekron on October 23, 2005, 09:37:20 PM
...yes, thats it, come closer and look deeper into the void for its mistress and her mysteries. The Dark Legion has use for all of humanity, and all are welcome, so do join us wont you? In fact it is the unborn of your species that are abandoned and "put out" like so much garbage that ILIAN in her wisdom finds useful and gives new life and purpose by her hand to serve her...her children.
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: PFC joe on October 23, 2005, 09:59:24 PM
...yes, thats it, come closer and look deeper into the void for its mistress and her mysteries. The Dark Legion has use for all of humanity, and all are welcome, so do join us wont you? In fact it is the unborn of your species that are abandoned and "put out" like so much garbage that ILIAN in her wisdom finds useful and gives new life and purpose by her hand to serve her...her children.

geez.. that's the driest product info pamphlet i've ever read.  Please tell me that it has some nifty splash graphics or a graph or two.

"how do you shoot women and children?"

"easy, just lead 'em less"

-PFC joe
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Timthetekron on October 24, 2005, 09:15:37 PM
...LOL.
 
...want fancy splash graphics? Just visit any MUTANT CHRONICLES Warzone and look at all the carnage left in the wake of the indominatable Dark Legion. Humanity is our palette and we have a fondness for working in red...you know, the kind that smells like iron.
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: PFC joe on October 24, 2005, 09:25:26 PM
a lady in red?  now we're talkin

a lady in chains and iron? well hell, normally I have to pay for that.

ya want carnage?  ya oughta see a wedding dress clearance sale.  Eyes gouged, hair pulled, nails broken and humanity terrified!

-shudder-

-PFC joe
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Timthetekron on October 27, 2005, 02:45:54 AM
...that would be  B L O O D, human Blood!

...a wedding dress clearance sale...heh, heh, hehhhhhh...that would be Muawijhe at work, and if that is all it takes to throw humanity into chaos then I suppose one must work with what one has.


Title: Re: First edition
Post by: PFC joe on October 27, 2005, 10:20:05 AM
Careful now,  you're starting to sounda little Khorney (and i don't mean just your humor) and we don't take kindly to that type here -spins the Widowmakers cylinder shut-  Let's leave talk of Blood and insane gods to Micheal Mor**** and is Elric series, ok?


ten bucks says that the forum filter nails the "****" in Mor****'s name.


heh hehe I said "nails the ****"


whoo this post is gonna get me banned I just know it

-PFC joe
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: dmcgee1 on October 27, 2005, 04:08:20 PM
Oh, my friggin' [insert favorite diety or Joe here]

Too friggin' funny!
 :D

So, does this mean that we can longer **** our guns, play badminton with old, smelly, dirty shuttle****s, nor may we go off half-****ed?† If so, what will become of ****pits and ****fighting?

(http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/64/64315/rooster200b.jpg)!
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: UrbanShocker on October 27, 2005, 04:32:20 PM
Lmao,
It takes a lot to PFC joe but dave manages to do it.

Cheers for Dave.

The only thing I'm worried about is PFC joe's response.
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Timthetekron on October 28, 2005, 12:56:55 AM
... :D

                             
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: PFC joe on October 28, 2005, 01:53:46 AM
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Oh, my friggin' [insert favorite diety or Joe here]

I'm not sure how I should feel being put on the same pedestal as a favored diety,   Other than the obligatory Simpsons Quote,

            "Please do not offer my god a peanut."  -Apu

As for my Foil,

I never **** my gun, I chamber rounds in an imposing manner.

You're welcome to play with old men's shuttle-<i>****s</i> all ya want, just don't tell us bout it.

I understand  half-baked to be better than half-****ed, and so do several of Dave's ex-girlfriends.

Given that we're not in Mexico we'll have to leave the  ****pit's and the ****fighting to Bars with "<i>Fabulous</i> in the description.

oh heavens, I'm so gonna get banned.  I think I oughta just go ahead and report myself.  and all for "Khorney" humor.

Oh yeah, to return this mildly hijacked thread to the original Topic:

First ed provides good canon for the games story but gameplay wise UWZ is leaps beyond.  Not to forget the fact that before first cut the UWZ book topped out at almost double it's final print size.  I wouldn't worry too much, pretty much everything is gonna be back and then some.

Except the Barking Spiders.

Shame, I'll miss the poison GL equipped infiltrating squads of crazed Civil War re-enactors.

-(the soon to be banninated) PFC joe
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Coil on October 28, 2005, 03:37:49 AM
Ok, apparently the automatic filters are a bit silly and make it hard [Beavis and Butthead] "Huh,Huh he said hard"[/B and B] to discuss among other things fantasy litterature and farm birds and using various expressions.

No one is getting banninated here (yet), but I think we've had enough fun with the filter right now.

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Diety
What's that? A god of weight loss? ;)

/Andreas
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Timthetekron on October 28, 2005, 11:17:55 AM
...all in good fun  :D

...the doer of Dark legion impersonations and "khorney' humor has, for the sake of keeping things on topic, and all, been sacked.

...man, you guys are a hoot.  ;)
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: dmcgee1 on October 28, 2005, 03:03:39 PM
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Oh, my friggin' [insert favorite diety or Joe here]

I'm not sure how I should feel being put on the same pedestal as a favored diety, Other than the obligatory Simpsons Quote,

 "Please do not offer my god a peanut." -Apu

As for my Foil,

I never **** my gun, I chamber rounds in an imposing manner.

I can add no more to that that hasn't already been considered and, summarily, dumped as, "too easy."

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You're welcome to play with old men's shuttle-****s all ya want, just don't tell us bout it.

I never mentioned old men...

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I understand half-baked to be better than half-****ed, and so do several of Dave's ex-girlfriends.

YES! A compliment!

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Given that we're not in Mexico we'll have to leave the ****pit's and the ****fighting to Bars with "Fabulous in the description.

Apparently, Joe's never flown.

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Except the Barking Spiders.

Would that be the Californian or Mexican variety?

On that note, I leave the topic alone...but that was good giggles, dude - thanks. :)
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: dmcgee1 on October 28, 2005, 03:12:02 PM
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Diety
What's that? A god of weight loss? ;)

Yeah, much like if Richard Simmons and Jenny Craig, well, you know...c'mon, you know...oh jeez...
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Brother Jim on October 29, 2005, 08:08:20 AM
you know, i seem to have a problem with herds of barking spiders following me around










especially after eating chili, baked beans and cheap, greasy pizza..... ;D :-X
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: dmcgee1 on October 30, 2005, 06:02:48 AM
Ah - the dreaded Mexican Barking Spiders - ATS 8? Or, would that be the Foul Wind SA?
Title: Re: First edition
Post by: Brother Jim on November 16, 2005, 08:42:25 AM
 ;) naah, they're not mexican barking spiders, they're mixed breed.

anything spicy with lots of meat makes it really, really uncomfortably unpleasant for everyone around me.

TMI alert: and for me too sometimes, some of them burn as they escape captivity. :o ;D




Back on topic: does anyone still have a point cost formula for 1st edition ?..?..?