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Talaminiatures => General Discussions => Topic started by: Veez on October 26, 2006, 05:27:19 AM
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The post about cons going down the toilet have made me think of countless LARP stores.
A friend was at a con where Vampire was being played. One player was walking along and decided to go invisible so crossed her arms while walking in the middle of a crowded hall. A non-player who was familiar with the mechanics saw this and immdediately started screaming "Oh my God-That person just dissapeared!" at the top of his lungs. A game judge (not sure if that is the proper nomenclature) saw all this and the player was penalized for showing their powers off in public.
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ok this story is going to be hard one to swallow....I'll try to be brief.
Vampire larp.
The werewolfs and Vampires are meeting in the park to make peace.
this was sabbat game (evil vampires). they wented to make peace ??? ok whatever ???
(for those who know the game..this kinda of impossible with sabbat vampires)
so my group of evil vampires are against this (someone has to be diffcult might as well be me)
one member in my group has a millitary heilcopter fully loaded ::) Ok thats a little wacky but hell it works to our favor. Judges gave to him during character gen. (I wouldnt have done that but hey)
we fly over the park. we see everybody in one tight cluster. we have naplam ::) ok wacky but hell its to our favor. we turn to the judge whos watching all this, my finger is on the button. I tell said judge I'm pressing the button. He tells me no :o I said yes I am. he said no. I ask is something broken, mind powers, what???
he simiple didnt want us to do it so he just no we cant. ::) I think his friends were in the park :-\
Man, I just sat back thinking I spent money on this.
after this seriously flawed series of game judgement calls I could never take the game seriously again.
shame it started really well...think the game quickly crumbled after this.
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Most of my problems with LARPS (boffer LARPS, mostly) is that you see characters being played, that in a normal setting would be either complete sociopaths or total cowards.
Examples:
Killing a PC in order to cut open his body and search for signs evil corruption. No signs were found, so they raised him and were surprised when his character was ****ed off at them. (Like surprised to the point of exchanging heated words OOC)
Raising the entire town (About 25 combat ready PCs) to combat 5 lowly kobolds. (had I known they were going to do this, I would have sent another NPC into the "Inn" to set a bomb)
Asking everyone to "arm wrestle" so they could find out their strength stat. And getting angry when you refused.
Blatant cheating.
Talking about how tough and awesome they are at fighting, then complaining when you wallop them really hard in the back... for 2 damage.
General Asshattery, really.
I just really hate boffer LARPs. If I wanted to hit people with stuff, I'd join the SCA.
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we fly over the park. we see everybody in one tight cluster. we have naplam ::) ok wacky but hell its to our favor. we turn to the judge whos watching all this, my finger is on the button. I tell said judge I'm pressing the button. He tells me no :o I said yes I am. he said no. I ask is something broken, mind powers, what???
he simiple didnt want us to do it so he just no we cant. ::) I think his friends were in the park :-\
Man, I just sat back thinking I spent money on this.
What did he expect when he game you a MILITARY CHOPPER!?!?
Like an Apache?
Were you just gonna give people helicoptor tours?
If you give me a minigun in a game, expect me to use it!
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we fly over the park. we see everybody in one tight cluster. we have naplam ::) ok wacky but hell its to our favor. we turn to the judge whos watching all this, my finger is on the button. I tell said judge I'm pressing the button. He tells me no :o I said yes I am. he said no. I ask is something broken, mind powers, what???
he simiple didnt want us to do it so he just no we cant. ::) I think his friends were in the park :-\
Man, I just sat back thinking I spent money on this.
What did he expect when he game you a MILITARY CHOPPER!?!?
Like an Apache?
Were you just gonna give people helicoptor tours?
If you give me a minigun in a game, expect me to use it!
thats my thinking.
Sad part they missed a chance to have a great story element injected to their game.
a unforseen naplam attack at the vampire/werewolf powwow by millitary chopter man the chaos that would cause, game plots that could come for that....sad loss.
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See, that's the catch. As much as I love RPGs, and I really like the concept of LARPS, they really attract far too many dumb-asses.
If I ever ran one, I'd have a very strict attendance policy. Yes, I know it sounds elitist and snobby, but I'd rather have 10 people in total who had a really good time, then let 1 dumb-ass show up who could ruin it. Even if 100 dumb-asses would put more money in my pocket, it would be dirty money. At least to me.
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See, that's the catch. As much as I love RPGs, and I really like the concept of LARPS, they really attract far too many dumb-asses.
If I ever ran one, I'd have a very strict attendance policy. Yes, I know it sounds elitist and snobby, but I'd rather have 10 people in total who had a really good time, then let 1 dumb-ass show up who could ruin it. Even if 100 dumb-asses would put more money in my pocket, it would be dirty money. At least to me.
I played years of larps.
I totally agree with you.
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I was head ST for a vampire/werewolf larp for 5 years or so, and all it got me was two horrible relationships, grey hair and 20 lbs gained from crappy late night Dennys.
Dont do it, I have so many stories I won't even begin to put them here.
Last I heard, they were still playing the same game.
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heres a boffer larp story.
so my group and I are fighting the fey lord( not as gay as you would think..these humps were badass)
heres the trick he can only be killed by the magic sword. he needed to be hit 3 times. each time by a different person :o
long story short. The Fey Lord appears in town offers a gobblet of Gold (its was alot of gold) for our heads.
Hearing this at the last miniute we rush to hide in the woods. Its raining, cold, some of us (inculding me) are in our underwear ( we were changing when we got word). knowing the town would kill their own mother for a sliver piece we just ran! and the only weapon we have was the magic sword.
Fey lord never left the Inn.
The town goes off to look for us.
it was now or never.
We rush the Inn. the fey lord hit squad was me, JR and chris. First chris rushs the lord "hit!" he toss the sword to JR. JR moves in "HIT!" he toss the sword over his shoulder and ducks out of the way I grab it in mid leap and swing "HIT!".....Fey lord stumbles and disappears. At this point we all are on cold nine thinking we did the impossible (the Fey lord player supposely was a good fighter). A moment later we hear him talking to the judge saying we never got 3 hits in >:(
What the hell???? we new for a fact we did!!!
we never got credit for the kill. Judges let the story roll our way (they knew what happen).
But to think because of one players pride we didnt get our moment in the sun :'(
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I was head ST for a vampire/werewolf larp for 5 years or so, and all it got me was two horrible relationships, grey hair and 20 lbs gained from crappy late night Dennys.
Dont do it, I have so many stories I won't even begin to put them here.
Last I heard, they were still playing the same game.
Share the stories
and start to heal those old wounds :P
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Was in a Vampire LARP based off the old heredity/environment question. Two ancient and powerful Vampires brought Sabbat, Camarilla and Independent vampires to a town on a bet to see how vampire society would develop. I played low key and everyone thought I was on thier side so when a coucil was formed I was made sheriff. The Sabbat players were dragging as but risking the masquerade and the Prince was getting on my nerves so I killed the Prince, helped a buddy become the new Prince and then called in an Archon to settle the ensuing dispute. To solve it all he gives the test of truth, he gives a test of truth and that is when everyone finds out I am Caitiff. - ****ed off several LARP'ers that night. Game was looking good but THEN............
Girl playing the Prince that got wacked turned up at a game with her lawyer. Sued me, my buddy and the Story-teller because she had emotional distress over being staked and left for the Sabbat to devour. Papers stated she had told the Storyteller that she had emotional problems and that she could not suffer the emotional trauma of being staked. I was sued because my plan was so evil and twisted that it was considered depraved indifference.
Long story short - Judge refused to hear the case, she paid for filing a frivolous lawsuit and I NEVER went near another LARP.
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Was in a Vampire LARP based off the old heredity/environment question. Two ancient and powerful Vampires brought Sabbat, Camarilla and Independent vampires to a town on a bet to see how vampire society would develop. I played low key and everyone thought I was on thier side so when a coucil was formed I was made sheriff. The Sabbat players were dragging as but risking the masquerade and the Prince was getting on my nerves so I killed the Prince, helped a buddy become the new Prince and then called in an Archon to settle the ensuing dispute. To solve it all he gives the test of truth, he gives a test of truth and that is when everyone finds out I am Caitiff. - ****ed off several LARP'ers that night. Game was looking good but THEN............
Girl playing the Prince that got wacked turned up at a game with her lawyer. Sued me, my buddy and the Story-teller because she had emotional distress over being staked and left for the Sabbat to devour. Papers stated she had told the Storyteller that she had emotional problems and that she could not suffer the emotional trauma of being staked. I was sued because my plan was so evil and twisted that it was considered depraved indifference.
Long story short - Judge refused to hear the case, she paid for filing a frivolous lawsuit and I NEVER went near another LARP.
WOW!!
I was asked to leave a game for being to evil but never sued.
you sir have "one up'ed" me :P
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I was head ST for a vampire/werewolf larp for 5 years or so, and all it got me was two horrible relationships, grey hair and 20 lbs gained from crappy late night Dennys.
Dont do it, I have so many stories I won't even begin to put them here.
Last I heard, they were still playing the same game.
Share the stories
at start to heal those old wounds :P
Ok, here are a couple off of the top of my head:
We were running a scene at one of the locations that we played at, and in this game we had allowed the use of neon prop pistols, as long as they were toy guns that looked NOTHING like the real thing, orange, ray guns, whatever. It was an optional rule, and after running a giant mob combat, we went back inside the "bar" to mop up the scene socially. The next thing we know, three cruisers show up, and the local law enforcement are there wanting to know why they got a report of suspicious activity.
Cop: What are you people doing, why are you all dressed up like that? Is this some kind of cult or something?
Player A: It is something.
Needless to say I had to call game early, and give a statement, and explain the game, showing the rulebook and discussing it with the police. They really never left us alone after that, driving by slow and flashing lights, etc. Luckily we moved location. It was a pretty crappy night, and we learned our lesson with prop weapons, as well as talking back to police.
The second story is the better one:
We were running a scene in the student union at UMASS, and there was a mob of people there. One player, notorious for cheating, kept throwing late on his r.p.s. throws, really aggrivating the judge and ****ing off the other players.One player in particluar said, "If you keep trying to cheat, I am going to kick you in the face", we corrected him and said no one is kicking anyone, and the scene went on. Player A kept throwing late/cheating, and player B calmly got on a chair, then on the desk, and kicked player A in the face with size 12 Doc Martens. The kid goes down, eyes rolled back in his head. BAM
We crap our pants (the staff) grab the kid, forcibly ejecet him from the room, and call campus security. After a mess of explaining, we had to shut down for the night, and we never saw either player again.
Now, no matter how hard you try to reign people in, it just isn't worth the trouble to LARP. As the aformentioned story, people take it too personally if they "die" and too many bad feelings happen.
I did make some really solid life friends though, so It was worth it in the long run for that reason.
Next?
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I never saw anyone get in to a fist fight (or is it a boot to the face fight :P).
Though I made one staffer cry when I calmly ask about breakfast (some larps have a cooking staff) really just went up and ask about breakfast next thing you know I'm hearing stories of a staffer crying in the kitchen and its my fault. To this day I have no idea what I could have said to her to make her cry :-\
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See, it's reasons like that that I'd keep a tight leash on who would be allowed in.
Really, I want to do a Wraith LARP, but what I want would require a high Storyteller to Player ratio, and people who can be expected to behave in a reasonably mature manner.
Other then that, I would touch a boffer LARP or vampire larp with a 10 foot pole, especially if I have to pay just to be there.
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well, i have been to a lot of fantasy larp (orcs, elves, mages, fighters and metal armour+larp-swords) and it was always ok or good.
of course you don´t like some nerds/to-much-in-persons, but I have the impression that here it is not as "personal".
regarding the police: it was never a problem. the german police might also have less of an ego trip--
I never had a situation where they drove by and flashing the lights (ridiculus...) they tell you to calm down or they beak up the party, but this kind of "watch out, we sit here" ::)
regarding the lawsuit... that is so funny... I guess all the usa cliches are so true ;D :D ;)
well, in summary, I like larp, but I think vampire is a lot more problematical, because they all like ego trips..
and that is when everyone finds out I am Caitiff.
well, that is a good example..
I will stick to fantasy larp and have fun fighting with plate armour and sword!
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Aldrien is big pimpin'!
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regarding the lawsuit... that is so funny... I guess all the usa cliches are so true ;D :D ;)
That one is, without doubt. People, here, will sue over the most trivial of reasons. It is impossible to offend anyone from the U.S. with that stereotype. It is true. If I had my way, there would be laws governing, exactly, was was letigious, and what was not. Unfortunately, with the right amount of money, anything, in this country, is grounds for a lawsuit.
One lady successfully sued McDonald's because she, herself, spilled hot coffee in her lap (jury awarded her millions because coffee was too hot.)
Smokers are able to sue tobacco manufacturers for their health problems (I am a smoker, and would never consider suing someone for my decision to be a smoker).
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It's really sad also, if you get into a fight, the worst threat isn't "I'm gonna break your face", it's "if you hurt me, I'm gonna sue you!"
I got that all the time in High School. Some schmuck would start with me, pushing me around, and what not. Then I'd charge him, and drop him to the ground, and immediately "If you hurt me, I'll sue you!"
Honestly, it's gotten to the point where you can't beat someone down for being stupid anymore.
(Although, technically, the Jury would have to rule against you. I'd love to see the transcript from the Cofee trial, to see just what the lawyer said to have them judge against McDonalds.)
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this one might be urban legend but wasnt there one case where the burglar sued the owner of the house he was breaking into for his house being un-safe because the burglar hurt himself in process.
God I wish to know if this true or not.
What sad is I can believe this. :-\
This is what happens to a country with too many lawyers and people forget how to be responsible for their own actions.
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(Although, technically, the Jury would have to rule against you. I'd love to see the transcript from the Cofee trial, to see just what the lawyer said to have them judge against McDonalds.)
if I win this case the next ten rounds of golf are on me jim. :P
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Well, there have been cases where the family of a burgler who was shot and killed by a home-owner sued said home-owner. I'm not sure if they won or not.
Actually, Aldiren, if you can get a direct satalite feed from any US tv stations, watch the shows that are on here from about 11am-3pm, every other commercial is for some ambulance chasing lawyer service. (It's assumed that when you are out of work for whatever reason, you'll be watching Jerry Springer) They will try and twist ANYTHING that happens to you into a lawsuit.
Fell down while drunk and walking home? You can sue the people who own the sidewalk where you fell.
Cut yourself with a knife you bought? You could try and sue the company that made them.
What they want to do is Sue for some extravagant amount of money, and hopefully, the other people/company will try and settle it out of court, for a smaller amount of money. The Lawyer will then take his cut either way.
A sad, sad thing, really.
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... but wasnt there one case where the burglar sued the owner of the house he was breaking into for his house being un-safe because the burglar hurt himself in process.
on that one, this is law in germany, too!
but, the entrence to the property needs to be open. a small fence-gate will be enough.
the logic is, that anyone (a child) could enter the ground. IF there is a danger on your property, and the property is not "closed", than you have guilt.
it is of no importance if the person entering was a criminal.
possible dangers might be an old and fragile ladder (that was in the german case, the burgler used an old rotten ladder he found at the place), or perhaps an unsecured hole in the ground.
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I have seen stupid crap all the time. People are such asses it is unreal. A follow up on mcdonalds, some lawyers want to sue mcdonalds because of obesity rates.And now the laywers want to cash in on it. As to larps the one and only one I witnessed had a group of werewolves arguing with a group of vampires about where to eat. LARP is definitely not my bag.
wmeredith.
EDIT*Sorry topkick more thought less rant next time.*
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Okay.
I see I touched off a nerve here! ;D
@dmcgee1: I found your comments to be libelous and offensive. You'll be hearing from my litigator.
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Okay.
I see I touched off a nerve here! ;D
@dmcgee1: I found your comments to be libelous and offensive. You'll be hearing from my litigator.
you sir have made me chuckle.
award thee a point of postive karma
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I'm not worthy!
I'm not worthy!
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I'm a witness, I saw everything!!
*Pst, hey Veez, do I get a cut of the settlement?*
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Of course not (wink wink). I'm not in this for monetary gain but for justice (but I'll settle out of court for pewter).
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I have seen stupid crap all the time. People are such asses it is unreal. A follow up on mcdonalds, some twits want to sue mcdanalds because their fat and it is mcdonalds FAULT....
I fail to see how this is any worse than someone who sues tobacco companies for getting cancer or is it the fact that they are obese that makes it okay to single them out?
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I think now that they have beaten the cancer thing to death and the Surgeon General has put out all the stats on obesity in America they think this is their new cash cow.
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I think now that they have beaten the cancer thing to death and the Surgeon General has put out all the stats on obesity in America they think this is their new cash cow.
You must be talking about the lawyers because all the obese people I know would rather be thin than rich. Obese people are not overweight because they want to cash in - there are as many reasons as there are obese people. Some are overweight due to medical concerns, others to psychological ones. Genetics play a part in almost every case.
Myself - I tore up my back and had to learn to walk again. Between the forced inactivity and the depression binge eating I gained 200+ pounds. It is hard work taking it off but I refuse to take surgical short-cuts. I feel these are self defeating measures as they do not change the causes of the weight gain and instead are an attempt to alleviate the shame and abuse heaped on obese people by society. God forbid you be anything other than 100% politically correct to people based on gender, race or sexual orientation - obese people however are fair game.
I like who I am and my current weight does not change who I am...merely how I am preceived. I find it humorous when some dink tries to get a cheap laugh at my expense only to find that this "fat a$$" boxed and kicked boxed as well as bounced at a soldier/biker bar back in the day. I may be a little slower, a little older, and get winded quicker but the tools are still there. For me nothing is more fun than watching "Joe Bodybuilder" low crawl to me when he finds out he is on the "Beatdown Express".
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Yes, I meant the lawyers. Sorry if you got the wrong impression.
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I tend to think as for as the smoker thing goes. Those who started smoking in the era before warning lables and lessons in school showing the black lung would have a case. Those who in this day in age who start smoking ,with fully knowing what it does to you, dont.
as for as obesity thing (I know for some its a touchy subject so I try to speak with respect) topkick brings up a great point on quick judgement on people...but as for as those who sue Mc d's I think Veez post points to those who do nothing for themselves ( unlike say topkick ) I've seen many over weight folks with horrid eatting habits that sit on their butt all day and wonder why they never lose weight. Its the feeling of some that its these folks that turn around and sue Mc D's (knowing full well Mc D's isnt the healthest food) that most people have no Mercy for.
It goes back to being responsible for your own actions. I have training brother who's a larger fellow (but great guy to fight against, built like a tank and one of the hardest training students) tell me he had bad week and just went nuts on Mc D's last week and it was becauses of being in a bad mood. He knew why he did it, regretted it afterwards. He's not going to turn around and sue Mc d's but some other nutters feel they can and their the ones who do less for their health.
just my 2 cents
I will also add I can lose a few pounds myself :-\
damn my terrible love for cookie dough ice cream
damn it to the delicious hell it came from :P
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What alot of people dont know, is that its because of Mcdonalds French Fries, that the level of scurvy in the states is as low as it is.
probably me incuded in that..
(fruit? salad? rabbit food! i aint no rabbit! ;) )
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I have seen stupid crap all the time. People are such asses it is unreal. A follow up on mcdonalds, some twits want to sue mcdanalds because their fat and it is mcdonalds FAULT....
I fail to see how this is any worse than someone who sues tobacco companies for getting cancer or is it the fact that they are obese that makes it okay to single them out?
I see I didn;t make my point the way I should have. Sorry topkick. I was meaning the laywers who are try to find yet another cash cow ambulance to chase. with the rising cases of obesity the lawyers have tried to sue mcdonalds over the issue. I read my post again and I see how it could have been better presented.
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As I was looking through this thread I was getting worried that I'd have to do some moderating. Then you guys turn it all around without me having to do a thing. :)
But let's leave lawyers, obesity and smoking out of this thread and keep it about LARP horrors.
Topkick, getting sued over a LARP staking?? :D
Cool armour Aldrien.
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Eh, Never played in one. Couldnt find one that allowed "Highlander" type Immortals to participate. :D ;D
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Eh, Never played in one. Couldnt find one that allowed "Highlander" type Immortals to participate. :D ;D
I have heard of Highlander fan conventions doing something like this...years ago.
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Eh, Never played in one. Couldnt find one that allowed "Highlander" type Immortals to participate. :D ;D
*Takes a shot to the neck*
Nope, my head didn't come off, I'm not dead! :)
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Think of all the goober players (that second or third teir who take themselves and the game far too seriously) running around saying, "I'll take your head and have your woman before your body is cold! Really I will!"
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Think of all the goober players (that second or third teir who take themselves and the game far too seriously) running around saying, "I'll take your head and have your woman before your body is cold! Really I will!"
I know I've been in gaming way to long to know this is true :-\