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Calculating DEF in second edition
« on: January 09, 2017, 02:41:29 PM »
I haven't seen this posted before, but I took a shot at how Chronopia calculates the DEF score.  On page 50 of second edition it states that DEF is calculated from CC and AR value.  I took a look at blackbloods mostly because they came first in the book and noticed this relationship:

AR value   Calculate using
25-26   DEF=AR-CC-11-Shield Modifier   
23-24   DEF=AR-CC-10-Shield Modifier   
21-22   DEF=AR-CC-9-Shield Modifier   
19-20   DEF=AR-CC-8-Shield Modifier   
17-18   DEF=AR-CC-7-Shield Modifier   
15-16   DEF=AR-CC-6-Shield Modifier   
13-14   DEF=AR-CC-5-Shield Modifier   
12           DEF=AR-CC-4-Shield Modifier   

For mounted troops, use the rider's CC.  This breaks down in 2 cases. 

First, for the ogre myrmadon, double mounted kutara and goblin chariot, the def was worse by 1 than what you would expect.  The kutara lancer and goblin ripper beast riders, however calculated using the above formula.  This means that very large mounted units and chariots have a worse DEF than you would expect.

Second, very small units, such as warhawks and darkwings, have a DEF score that is better than what you would expect.

Notice also that this fits in well with the devout spell corrosion, in which a models def improves by 1 for every two AR it loses.

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Re: Calculating DEF in second edition
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2017, 02:20:21 PM »
I can't figure out how to use your formula.  I just used a graph I made with AR on one axis, and CC on the other.  I fed the information in by comparing all of the troops and removing shield modifiers.
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Re: Calculating DEF in second edition
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2017, 09:42:51 AM »
I will give some examples.

For an ogre heavy infantry leader, he has an AR of 22, a CC of13, and a shield.  The DEF = AR - CC - 9 - Shield modifier, or DEF = 22 - 13 -9 -1 = -1

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Re: Calculating DEF in second edition
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2017, 09:48:48 AM »
An Elf Risen Warrior has an AR of 19, a CC of 9, and a shield.

The formula for an AR of 19 is DEF=AR-CC-8-Shield Modifier

Therefore the DEF of the Elf Risen Warrior is 19-9-8-1=1

A SOK War Hound has an AR of 12, a CC of 8, and no shield

The formula for an AR of 12 is DEF=AR-CC-4-Shield Modifier

DEF = 12-8-4-0 = 0

I haven't tested every model so it is possible there are more exceptions out there than the ones I listed.

I hope you find this helpful.

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Re: Calculating DEF in second edition
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2017, 09:35:42 AM »
Looks good to me.  Thanks!
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