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Re: New Warzone (merged thread)
« Reply #270 on: February 17, 2013, 03:18:27 PM »
For the  record my only problem has been with Jarek's comments calling Bonner "some drawing guy" and the efforts of previous design teams as "D class Sci-fi comedy". I feel they
were uncalled for. Other than that I have not had a problem with any of Team Prodos. I agree some of the  comments have been over the top but that can be taken care of by calling out the jerks and not shotgun insulting everything that they are following. As a general rule they respond to suggestions well and are flexible. I plan on putting into the kickstarter...just not sure at what level. Whether you like or don't like previous efforts or certain artists they all deserve our respect.
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Re: New Warzone (merged thread)
« Reply #271 on: February 17, 2013, 04:31:19 PM »
look what do you say abaut the hussars and the ducal militias.????????????

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Lesser armor than what i think the hussars are whering


Lesser armor than what i think the hussars are whering.



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Nicklas Danielsson Im saying that i think the new hussars look like this one the ducal milisa.

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Jim Vidlak Jr I am starting to think that whoever did the hussar sketches looked at the militia for inspiration rather than the Hussars

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Nicklas Danielsson yes i do Think so

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Well...I like old hussars.Why not made new hussars based on the old ones with the same armor,spiked helmet and weapon but with diffrent pose and with more equipment??It could be more acceptable.
 the ones now hawe to littel armor they hawe as the dukal militia









Nicklas Danielsson The thing i think of is that they hawe and juse to little armor.
And ofcours id like à lithel bit bygger pouldrons.

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Nicklas Danielsson As they are now they look like ducal militia.
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Re: New Warzone (merged thread)
« Reply #272 on: February 17, 2013, 04:44:01 PM »
I don't mind the lighter look. The 1st ed ones look too much like power armour, which it's not supposed to be. And the 2nded ones have about the same armour coverage as the new ones, it's just that it's thicker and more massive. You have seen the latest hussar concepts with thigh plates and codpiece, right?

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Re: New Warzone (merged thread)
« Reply #273 on: February 17, 2013, 04:52:19 PM »
I don't mind the lighter look. The 1st ed ones look too much like power armour, which it's not supposed to be. And the 2nded ones have about the same armour coverage as the new ones, it's just that it's thicker and more massive. You have seen the latest hussar concepts with thigh plates and codpiece, right?

yes i hawe but i belive Theas new ons look to mutch ducal rather then hussars...

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Re: New Warzone (merged thread)
« Reply #274 on: February 17, 2013, 04:58:48 PM »
Honestly, I think the latest version of the Hussar (a bit up-armoured from the initial concept) is about pitch perfect.  The 1st Edition Hussars were over-armoured compared to their stats (same A value as Capitol troopers but with models that looked better protected than Capitol heavies).  And the split in to Ducal Militia and Hussars is one of those things I think was unneeded (I wasn't a huge fan of 2nd Edition giving everyone two-tiered core infantry).  So I hope they just ignore stuff like Ducal Militia and People's Volunteers, myself.  The tiered split made sense for Capitol and I think the addition of Ahigaru to Mishima was a good one.  But stuff like Regulars, People's Volunteer and Ducal Militia never sat right with me.

So if the design for the Hussars is closer to the 1st Edition concept of them (the most basic grunt in the army), then I think they look perfect for it.

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Re: New Warzone (merged thread)
« Reply #275 on: February 17, 2013, 05:27:02 PM »
Here they are, by the way.


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Re: New Warzone (merged thread)
« Reply #276 on: February 17, 2013, 05:42:13 PM »
Yeah, that's them.  Look a lot less like dude in power armour and more like grunts.  And I am loving that re-conception of the Bergdahl Stonecleaver LMG.  Going to a drum magazine like that makes sense, but it manages to keep the smooth lines of the original gun.

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Re: New Warzone (merged thread)
« Reply #277 on: February 18, 2013, 04:59:05 AM »


In the "Fictional Reality" magazine they had a Bulldog battle suit for Imperial in the 2nd edition. id like to hear more about that..??
It was some fan made unit??.




I don't know if this is a legal source but it is the only one I know about:

http://www.mutantpedia.com/eng/Warzone.html

At the bottom you find the "Fictional Reality" magazines.
Issue 0 and 1 have Imperial inside.


And please could you please show the Hussars in some jungle camo outfit? The white armor leads always to Star War jokes  ;)
Most Bauhaus units will fight in the jungle anyway. So please!

Honestly, I think the latest version of the Hussar (a bit up-armoured from the initial concept) is about pitch perfect.  The 1st Edition Hussars were over-armoured compared to their stats (same A value as Capitol troopers but with models that looked better protected than Capitol heavies).  And the split in to Ducal Militia and Hussars is one of those things I think was unneeded (I wasn't a huge fan of 2nd Edition giving everyone two-tiered core infantry).  So I hope they just ignore stuff like Ducal Militia and People's Volunteers, myself.  The tiered split made sense for Capitol and I think the addition of Ahigaru to Mishima was a good one.  But stuff like Regulars, People's Volunteer and Ducal Militia never sat right with me.

So if the design for the Hussars is closer to the 1st Edition concept of them (the most basic grunt in the army), then I think they look perfect for it.


I have to disagree about the split of units. In the first edition they always said there are Trenchers and Regulars but there is no difference between them.
I disliked this from the beginning. Two separate units shouldn't be equal. For sure there are differences in the abilities, specialists, armory and so on...
« Last Edit: February 18, 2013, 06:55:04 AM by micmellon »
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Re: New Warzone (merged thread)
« Reply #278 on: February 18, 2013, 06:28:28 AM »
Before my aestethics considerations, I think one thing has yet to be totally explained:
What is this new Warzone project going to be? A reboot of Mutant Chronicles, or an evolution of the original setting?
This is important to justify the differences with the classic Mutant Chronicles we have been loving. Do you want to change the classic concepts? Ok: just explain, in the background story and the fluff, WHY there have been such changes. Has the Brotherhood found a way to purify technology so that weapons and such could be more sophisticated? Has Cybertronic advanced in their researches? With such explanations, it would be easier to accept the new concepts, because these changes will be blended with the original canon.
If a reboot is what is going on, well... I do not think it is the right path to follow. It would always be something different from the MC we have learned to love, and it is a risky way to impress new customers. Which is the problem? Big shoulderpads? Bulky weapons? Well, that is what made Mutant Chronicles... Mutant Chronicles. Maybe a better approach would be to put classic bulky weapons and shoulderpads as optional pieces (maybe instead of a legs/arms pose).
Other point is: I hope Facebook would not be the main site where this project will be discussed and supported. I do not use it (and I won’t), so I really hope that opinions of non-Facebook users will be taken into consideration equally.

Finally, my aestethics considerations:

Brotherhood:
Just perfect.
I hope the Art will be given the right importance in the gameplay. Powers should be the... power of Brotherhood.

Dark Legion:
Alakhai and Necromutant seem great. The Razide seems too small. The Legionnaires are a bit too.. anonymous. Some metal plate on their skin should characterize them better.

Cybertronic:
A bit too futuristic if compared with other pieces. As I said before, if this level of technology will be well explained in the background story, no problem here. The new Everassur design is better than the old concept, but it should have a more dynamic pose.

Bauhaus:
Well... I do not like it. Sorry. Shoulderpads shoul be shuolderpads, armplates should be armplates. My biggest concern about new Bauhaus design, even after the recent re-design, is its lack of details on armours; is it related to the use of resin/plastic? Why has its design to be so sharp-cornered? Why its surfaces should be so plain? The new Battlesuit concept (though better than the previous one) seems a walking washing machine with a man inside...
For the shoulderpads (and just for them), i would recommend this design:

It is not as exaggerate as old illustrations, and it is more characteristic.

I love how you are taking into account feedbacks from your followers, and I love the work Prodos is doing. Do not forget that when reading my opinions!
I am a long-time MC lover and purist, and I am an avid and insanely accurate Warzone player. Actually, I am the rules guru for the Italian community, who likes to experiment new game options with his strong group of players near Rome. If we could be of any help, just ask. We would be proud to support this project more than just economically.
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Re: New Warzone (merged thread)
« Reply #279 on: February 18, 2013, 07:14:36 AM »
Well said Pollo since I'm also a purist within the Mutant Chronicles franchise :)


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Re: New Warzone (merged thread)
« Reply #280 on: February 18, 2013, 07:18:42 AM »
Just to throw in some thought about the design,

Mostly I like it !
I don´t have the background of the MC-Universe and the fluff , but I can tell if I like something if I see it and if it meets my imagination of how it should be ;-)

Dark Legion is wonderful, Cybertronic pleases my eyes, even if I think them a bit too sci-fi -maybe a little step too futuristic-. Even if I made the little joke about the similarity to the War-Robot out of Judge Dredd, I really like what the concept brings.
Brotherhood is a very good approach I think, the new troopers look good and remind me of the old Fury-Elites which I thought made good models, maybe they had a bit too big helmets. But this has merged well and we find models, that I really like and with good proportions fit into my view of Mutant Chornicles. Mortificators have been good, but the new version with a bit more fluid-motion-pose – super!
What I think about too futuristic for Cybertronic hits me here as well. Brotherhood was a bit more archaic in my opinion, especially the Judicator with his super-sci-fi gun looks a bit the cybertronic-version of an inquisitor. Brotherhood was known for big shoulderpads, mostly I liked them, but in my eyes the Judicator seems a bit too bulky.
Bauhaus, hmmm problematic. The Personality is clearly a winner for me. All in all I like it, especially the Attila/Dolman for the Personality (I always wanted something like that for the old models – I even modelled some as addition). I would recommend something in this manner for the officers of Bauhaus. Long Coats, maybe a winter-Attila over a shoulder. That’s the kind of littleextras that works for individuality.
But pleeeaaaase don´t do this thing with the riding-trousers again. I think they´re horrible. OK, maybe I´m alone with that.
The shoulderpads, OK there have to be some, but do they have to be so small ? They look like glued to the jacket, and even if they should be symbolic, I think it should be a bigger symbol ;-)
The Vulkan in the re-designed version is a good one. What I don´t like is the stubby “arms” with the guns. A friend brought up the picture of a T-Rex (with his mini-arms), and it fits.
So I would second the Idea of a gun and a Claw/Hand for the Vulkans.
The Hussars have been discussed many times already and I think they´re on a good way and in the re-design in a good shape. Again here the shoulderpads disrupt the image. I think they´re too long and drawn down the arm. I think Pollo´s idea and picture lead the way. Don´t know it will do the trick, but I think it would improve the overall view.
So all in all I´m very pleased with what I see, even if Bauhaus needs still a bit improvement ;-)
But go on with this good work !
With most of the mini´s you showed that you know what is possible / needed .
Hope the rules will improve the image.
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Re: New Warzone (merged thread)
« Reply #281 on: February 18, 2013, 07:41:42 AM »

It is not as exaggerate as old illustrations, and it is more characteristic.
To me, those shoulder pads look more like 1st edition WZ Imperial pads.

I think Prodos Bauhaus pads look good; they are very similar to the classic ones, and with more dynamic poses I believe it won't be as noticed that they are attached to the upper arms. It's the poses of the concepts that is the problem IMO.

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Re: New Warzone (merged thread)
« Reply #282 on: February 18, 2013, 10:13:48 AM »
JUST NOTICED its funded looking forward to seeing the finished models  ;D ;D
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Re: New Warzone (merged thread)
« Reply #283 on: February 18, 2013, 10:21:39 AM »
Yaaay! Totally! And the Bauhaus shoulder pads might even have grown a bit since yesterday:



Man, I like that gas mask!  ;D

EDIT: Sorry, that was probably just a fan remake of the concept.
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Re: New Warzone (merged thread)
« Reply #284 on: February 18, 2013, 10:59:11 AM »
I love the T-Rex analogy. Please give him a bigger weapon.  ;D

The shoulder pads could be just a little larger and shorter and at the shoulder.
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