1st edition - Sidearms

[Raga]

According (strictly) to the rules (as I understand them) shots in close combat cannot be parried (becuse there was no parry in Rulebook) and no bonus or close combat skill affects them. So shotgun treated as a sidearm (Rulebook) cannot be parried.

In DoW they added parrying for "hand-to-hand close combat" (Bottom of page 11 - DoW) attacks (it means only melee attacks to me).

We had asumed that it was unbalanced (discussion above) and have changed it to:
- shots in close combat can be parried
- close combat training affects shots in close combat

Now we come to Shotgun and we have possibilities:
- strength test and no further parry
- no strength test and a parry roll
- shotgun cannot be fired in close combat (I vote for this solution, because if we allow shotgun then why we forbid rifle usage in close combat)?

(Extra: Have you noticed example on page 53 of rulebook where strength is added to chance to hit in close combat?)

[Oakwolf]

If you want to prevent shotguns from shooting in cc, you might have to check if there's some poor fools with only that for a valid cc weapon. (i don't have books with me atm, check those bauhaus oddities like hussar sgts and that kind).

They can switch to club mode of course.

[Raga]

Ah... Bauhaus again.

I guess logical solutions usually do not come along 1st edition.
They messed up with new close combat rules.

I guess strength test and no further parry should remain.

[Oakwolf]

I would agree with the shotgun's ST test replacing the parry.

[Raga]

We (our group) had some argument on shotguns and we came to final decision.

Basing on Rulebook and Dow we desided that shotgun is considered 2-handed sideram so:
- it can be fired in close combat
- it does not allow secondary attack (that is why it is 2-handed)
- it can be parried in close combat (parrying itself is affected by strength)
- close combat training affects shots in close combat
- (optional) damage in close combat is increased by (x1) (no template means the target absorbs whole impact)

I can feel in my bones that it is not over...

[Oakwolf]

I think that's a good train of thought as well, and so far the most fleshed out one.

Shotguns to keep an eye on with the extra damage multiplier:

Mitch Hunter
Doomsday Proclaimer
Is the bio-giant weapon considered a shotgun?

[dmcgee1]

In UWZ, the Behemoth's handcannon is listed as a Sidearm.

The Bio-Giant's weapon is a Cannon, in UWZ.

[Raga]

Oakwolf:

Mitch Hunter - he would have 14(x2) but he already has Sword of Honor 16(x2) so he would not use shotgun
Doomsday Proclaimer - he always levitates so he can never enter close combat
Bio Gigant - Yes he have a shotgun, but in close combat he wouldnt use shotgun 14(x2) if he also has chain blade 19(x3)

[Oakwolf]

Then i think that pretty much solves the issues for sidearms, as far as i am concerned . Well done.

[Ulthir]

Found this one in the Q&A of Chronicles No. 9 (Page 22) (1. Edition)

Q:Can sidearms/shotgung be parryed?
A: Yes, a parry could be as simple as knocking the attacker's arm away, just enough for the shot to blow past you.

[Raga]

Thanks, this confirms our discussion.