Secondary Attack

[dmcgee1]

The rules state that secondary attack is a -4 to CC.  Does this mean that if a Mirrorman kills his only target in CC, he may not fire his gun at another target that is not in CC?

[Dragon62]

Under Secondary Attack page 79 "models may make a CC attack with their Primary weapon and an attack with their secondary weapon in the same action." I have understood that to mean if in CC for that action he gets the 2 attacks. If that model dies from the CC attack he can still shoot then would have to move into CC in order to gain the benifit of SA again. The -4 applys to the shoot wheather it's a CC or RC. Hope that helps.

[Topkick]

At that point firing the pistol would be an RC action rather than a secondary attack and would take an action to perform IMHO.

[dmcgee1]

Phil, Dodger and I have played it that way, too.  I am, now, wondering if we did it wrong.

[Dragon62]

I dont think you were playing it wrong. The rule doesnt state the 2nd attack has to be CC only that the 1st one has to.

[dmcgee1]

I think that it does, by default, state that it has to be a CC attack, as it doesn't say, "-4 CC/RC," "-4 to the secondary attack," it says, "-4 CC."

[warzoneD]

I agree with you Dave.  In fact, wasn't there once a skill called gunslinger or something like that (1st ed.) that gave you 2 RC attacks?  Or maybe I'm confusing game systems (I've read so many by now).  I'm travelling so I can't consult my rulebooks...

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[Dragon62]

As far as I remember even when Excelsior was involved with the Tourny's thats the way SA was used why the push for the change now.

[dmcgee1]

@Dragon62:  Phil, I don't know if I am proposing change or clarification.  If RC attacks are allowed (I have played that way), then I would like to see it FAQ'd to clear up any confusion.  If it was never intended to be used that way, then I would push for the change from doing incorrectly to doing it correctly.

@WarzoneD:  Gunslinger still exists, and allows a model to fire 360š, as long as the target is within the Gunslinger's LD in inches.

[Lopis]

Just throwing my opinion in:

As I read the description and rules, you have to make a CC attack with your primary weapon and are allowed a secondary attack with another weapon on top of that. If itīs a gun you can use that. Even to fire out of CC if you killed the CC opponent with you primary attack. I think itīs covered within the rules and absolutely legal. It only states that the primary attack has to be CC and thus on that skill.
For an example take Valerie Duval.
She has her Nightsticks and a Punischedr Gun. Primary Attack with her Nightsticks. If she doesnīt kill the opponent she gets her sec. attack with the Handgun against the opponent. If she kills him you can fire within Range with the handgun as sec attack.


EDIT: Itīs ruled on page 51 upper left corner above the pic.

You CAN fire at the second target outside of CC with sec Attack if you killed the  first model, but you get the penalty even for RC

[Archer]

Lopis- gj on the rule find.  Saved me typing it. 

  AS foir the skill, it was called Gunfighter and was introduced at the end of 1st Edition days on a Freelancer Infiltration Specialist.

  If it were translated to this edition, it would be a -2 RC penalty.  And right now- there is only two models (maybe three) that it would affect- with the correction to their entries: Wolfe, Visionary and maybe Stiener (I don't see SMG's being used that way.  Machine Pistols, sure but An SMG the size of the P-606?)

[dmcgee1]

Nice catch, Lopis.  Thanks.  As I stated, that is how we played it, but I could not find the rule stating why..