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Offline Pietia

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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2006, 01:06:14 PM »
Coil - now it's quite ok. However, if the euthanasi squads get a size change from 1-3 to 2-4 - as Wedge proposed - there will be a problem:
4-man euthanasi squad: 28
3 cavaliers+FT specialist: 136
total: 164, repeat as many times, as you want. Result? E.g. a 1000 points army list will have 13 activations (add 1 2-man euthanasi squads), 7 euthanasi squads go first (at this moment a lot of armies this size will nearly run out of activations), and then you have 6 activations with 2 WD MV5 flamethrowers (and 6 AR 20 "ablative wounds" per activation in the form of regular cavaliers. Armed and dangerous wounds). Oh - and those guys have guerilla training, so you're shooting at them at -1. If you play on a table with at least moderate amount of cover, the oponent is not in trouble - he's already dead, the execution is merely a formality.

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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2006, 01:27:21 PM »
Don't worry Pietia ,we're not going to change the size of the Eutanasi. :)

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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2006, 06:14:17 PM »
Coil is quite correct.  I wasn't saying that we should change them.  I was simply stating that I think it may have been an oversight in the army construction or a typo.

And to add, I too could thoroughly trounce an ALL cheesed out Inheritors Army like that with my average Semai army in a heartbeat.

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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2006, 07:25:02 PM »
As for Euthanasi being an oversight - maybe they are. Honestly said, I think, that the squad sizes here should be more like 10-30, not 2-4. Why should they have more flexibility than practically any squad? They should work more like the Heretic Legionnaires, Disciplies or other "horde" units.
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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2006, 01:36:01 AM »
 Just to let you know Cyclopes Forge will be releasing a miniature called the Phantom I tink it was and he will be like the Lutherans.Not sure which one at the moment but I cant wait to find out.Hopefully we will be able to get a hold of those lovely mounted miniatures that were showen some time back.
 Are the Euthanasi still available?

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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2006, 06:20:33 AM »
I do not think that Euthanasi were ever intended to be a horde unit like legionnaires. Euthanasi are non-combatants to be used as meatshields similar to Drugged for the Stygians.

Amost alll Inheritor units can take the tattoo to transfer wounds or just use them to block LOS. But are they really worth using for allt hose units. Both the Cavalry and the foot troops are high movement troops that need to get close. Slowing down to MV 2 so that the cripples can keep up isn't effective.

The only units I'd use them with are Heavy Cavaliers (if you intend to keep them in a more stationary fire support role) and Patriarchs (to keep him alive or as fuel for spells).

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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2006, 01:05:40 PM »
By horde unit I mean something, that comes in squads with large minimum size. Euthanasi should be one of them - in all other armies small sized squads are for powerful or experienced troops with high flexibility. Somehow I don't see units of old, crippled people as flexible, small sized teams...

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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2006, 10:38:20 PM »
same for me..
best they should be like the drugged -> troop option for squad, not separete unit (+qualifining for support)
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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2007, 12:11:20 PM »
By horde unit I mean something, that comes in squads with large minimum size. Euthanasi should be one of them - in all other armies small sized squads are for powerful or experienced troops with high flexibility. Somehow I don't see units of old, crippled people as flexible, small sized teams...

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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2007, 12:27:07 PM »
By horde unit I mean something, that comes in squads with large minimum size. Euthanasi should be one of them - in all other armies small sized squads are for powerful or experienced troops with high flexibility. Somehow I don't see units of old, crippled people as flexible, small sized teams...

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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2007, 01:23:09 PM »
so is there a final answer to this question? It came up again during the last tournament we played..

- Do two 1-model euthanasi squads qualify for a greymourn? -

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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2007, 01:27:53 PM »
The answer is yes.
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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2007, 02:14:12 PM »
Correct.

Quoting myself from the first page of the thread
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Euthanasi are Grunts and thus qualify you to buy Elites (if you can find any with a Squad size of 1-3) or Individuals.

The rules also state that you need two Grunt Squads to purchase a Support Unit. There is no requirement like there is for Grunts-Elites that it has to be equal or greater in size. So two 1 model Euthanasi squads allows you to buy one Greymourn.