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Euthanasi squads
« on: December 24, 2006, 03:57:22 AM »
Euthanasi squads: require 1-3 models
Do two 1-model euthanasi squads qualify for a greymourn?

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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2006, 06:27:14 AM »
This is a good question for the FAQ Team.  I will post it.

My opinion is divided.  Yes - two grunts squads qualify a support.  However, the Mortar Crew is three models.  I would think that the Euthanasi need to have at least one three-model squad in order to qualify a three-man support squad.  I could be (and, probably am) wrong.
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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2006, 09:10:05 AM »
sqads below 4 LP should not qualify at all..
(-> also grunt and elite should qualify for support, not faq but "recommandet play")
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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2006, 09:22:44 AM »
IMHO yes they would qualify for a support unit or and Individual but not for an elite squad since there are no 1 man elite squads for that list.
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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2006, 11:48:48 AM »
Euthanasi are Grunts and thus qualify you to buy Elites (if you can find any with a Squad size of 1-3) or Individuals.

The rules also state that you need two Grunt Squads to purchase a Support Unit. There is no requirement like there is for Grunts-Elites that it has to be equal or greater in size. So two 1 model Euthanasi squads allows you to buy one Greymourn.

If you ask me the Inheriors can use all the advantages they can get. :)

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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2006, 02:55:11 PM »
Personally, I think a 1 man squad is technically an individual.  Somehow this must have been missed.  I wouldn't argue about the current status now, but I think Euthanasi squads should be 2-4 and not 1-3.  It may have been a typo or an oversight.  Are there any other squads of 1-3 like this anywhere?

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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2006, 04:15:56 PM »
Wedge, remember, that 2-4 man Euthanasi squads mean, that you can field huge cavalry armies with MV5 flamer specialists, using grunts costing 28 points per squad to qualify for those cavalry elites (right now you can almost do that - the cavalry fits, but the specialist does not)... it has some serious cheese potential. On the other hand, right now you could field e.g. ten additional activations for 70 points - a huge advantage in the early game. I believe, that euthanasi were meant as sacrifices that would fuel various powers of the Inheritor spellcasters, but they have multiple additional uses, that make the Inheritors quite a powerful army.

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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2006, 06:03:48 PM »
Wedge, remember, that 2-4 man Euthanasi squads mean, that you can field huge cavalry armies with MV5 flamer specialists, using grunts costing 28 points per squad to qualify for those cavalry elites (right now you can almost do that - the cavalry fits, but the specialist does not)... it has some serious cheese potential. On the other hand, right now you could field e.g. ten additional activations for 70 points - a huge advantage in the early game. I believe, that euthanasi were meant as sacrifices that would fuel various powers of the Inheritor spellcasters, but they have multiple additional uses, that make the Inheritors quite a powerful army.

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« Last Edit: December 28, 2006, 08:16:51 AM by Archer »
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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2006, 07:34:41 AM »
Wedge The Mounted Hussars are a 1-2 + 1 LD, the HMG-85T is a 1 man squad, and the Shadow Walkers-Nagano are a 1-2 man squad, there are also a couple 2-3 man squads.
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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2006, 08:17:58 AM »
Technically, an individual is a squad - of one.
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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2006, 08:25:56 AM »
Well, then I guess there is a potential for some abuse.  But, I don't normally play with unreasonable opponents so I think the abuse would be a rare occurrence.  If someone fielded an army of dozens of one man euthanasi squads and a buttload of greymourns I would say, "Congratulations, you won!"  Then I'd walk away.  I wouldn't give him the time of day.  I abhor players to power game/cheese out their armies just because they can and then do so... It may be fun for them but not for their opponents.

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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2006, 08:58:00 AM »
As long as I knew up front some wanted to play that type of army i'd play against them. There is the potential with every army list to play a cheese force and to beat an army of 27 1 man + 3 2man, 1 LD with 2 spells and 15 support 64 total miniatures I'd simply use a completely infiltrating Semia army. Nullifies Mortars and reveals multible cards as you activate a squad. I'd enjoy the challange.
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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2006, 09:43:20 AM »
As long as I knew up front some wanted to play that type of army i'd play against them. There is the potential with every army list to play a cheese force and to beat an army of 27 1 man + 3 2man, 1 LD with 2 spells and 15 support 64 total miniatures I'd simply use a completely infiltrating Semia army. Nullifies Mortars and reveals multible cards as you activate a squad. I'd enjoy the challange.

  Heck... I'd welcome that challenge too.  The first turn would be annoying by turns 2 thru 4 rather satisfying.  I could almost guarentee a four turn win, depending on the army I am fielding and point value.
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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2006, 12:14:36 PM »
I'm not sure there is that much to abuse. What type of armies can you build?

In a 1000 pt army you could go for:
32 squads of 1 Euthanasi 224
16 Greymourn 736
1 Cavalier Scout 35
995

Or if you like horses
6 squads of 3 Euthanasi 126
6 squads of 3 Cavaliers 540
5 Heavy Cavaliers (Black Heart and Cross) 300
1 Cavalier Scout 35
1001 pts (remove a tattoo from one Heavy to come under 1000)

But are those armies any good?

Sure you get lots of Cavaliers but you're basically paying an extra 7 pts per Cavalier for nothing since the main point of the horses are their speed and a MV 2 cripple isn't going to do any good. Since you are limited to 3 models in the Elites you can't get the nice flamer specialist.

You could of course do as I did and add in the nice Heavy Cavalier who could limit themselves by hanging back with the cripples and transfer wounds to them with the Cross.

16 mortars looks scary but with terrain blocking LOS and creating dead zones their effectiveness is reduced. They also cannot shoot with the mortar at PB and SR.

I'd take on the mortar gimmick army and kick it's ass.



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Re: Euthanasi squads
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2006, 12:38:37 PM »
Thought of another version of the horse list with more HMGs
7*2 Euthanasi
7*2 Cavaliers (Black Heart)
7 Heavy Cavaliers (Black Heart and Cross)
Cavalier Scout
980 pts

But is it worth it?