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Offline Dr. Nick

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quick, stupid question about borrowing LD
« on: December 21, 2006, 04:34:48 AM »
ok, how does it work?

I read the book and at page 36 it says : ld value for morale tests

-> I always thought that a officer transmits the ld value for other things as well?
firing from  wait,
spot
tac sense
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basically for everything. resolve added on top then in case of fear effects.


but thats wrong, or not?? morale is only for broken and paniked..
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Re: quick, stupid question about borrowing LD
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2006, 05:07:15 AM »
Quote from: Aldrien on December 21, 2006, 04:34:48 AM
ok, how does it work?

I read the book and at page 36 it says : ld value for morale tests

-> I always thought that a officer transmits the ld value for other things as well?
firing from  wait,
spot
tac sense
.
.

basically for everything. resolve added on top then in case of fear effects.


but thats wrong, or not?? morale is only for broken and paniked..

Ld of the Model is used for Wait, Spot and Tac Sense checks.
Highest Ld is used for Rally and squad fear checks.

  Resolve is added for panic/fear tests- but against highest ld in unit.
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Re: quick, stupid question about borrowing LD
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2006, 07:25:54 AM »
wow.. that makes capitol a lot worse...

I thought I got to use the leaders nice 16 ld for everything around him, incl. wait...

ok..

but for resolve, that should be added to the officers ld, not to the sergants, in case of panic or rout. (no rulebook here, but I remember, I think..)
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Re: quick, stupid question about borrowing LD
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2006, 08:23:25 AM »
Quote from: Aldrien on December 21, 2006, 07:25:54 AM
wow.. that makes capitol a lot worse...

  not necessarily.  remember, the Cap officers are very cheap... and not all that bad. With the various commander skills, they can take over squads and such.

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I thought I got to use the leaders nice 16 ld for everything around him, incl. wait...

  nope.  Just for morale/rally issues.

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but for resolve, that should be added to the officers ld, not to the sergants, in case of panic or rout. (no rulebook here, but I remember, I think..)

  If the officer has the ability, then yes.  Otherwise, its either the highest ldr with resolve or the highest leadership, period, in the squad.
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Re: quick, stupid question about borrowing LD
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2006, 08:41:50 AM »
thanks
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Re: quick, stupid question about borrowing LD
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2006, 01:34:34 PM »
Quote from: Archer on December 21, 2006, 05:07:15 AM
Ld of the Model is used for Wait, Spot and Tac Sense checks.
Highest Ld is used for Rally and squad fear checks.

  Resolve is added for panic/fear tests- but against highest ld in unit.

Whoa, there, Archer.  It does not work for Wait.  Each model uses it's own LD for purposes of it's own LD tests (Wait, Spot, etc.).

A model may "borrow" the Sgt.'s (or other officer's) LD for Panic checks, and may borrow the Tac Sense skill of the Leader model, but not it's LD stat for Tac Sense.
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Re: quick, stupid question about borrowing LD
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2006, 05:43:19 PM »
Quote from: dmcgee1 on December 21, 2006, 01:34:34 PM
Quote from: Archer on December 21, 2006, 05:07:15 AM
Ld of the Model is used for Wait, Spot and Tac Sense checks.
Highest Ld is used for Rally and squad fear checks.

  Resolve is added for panic/fear tests- but against highest ld in unit.

Whoa, there, Archer.  It does not work for Wait.  Each model uses it's own LD for purposes of it's own LD tests (Wait, Spot, etc.).

A model may "borrow" the Sgt.'s (or other officer's) LD for Panic checks, and may borrow the Tac Sense skill of the Leader model, but not it's LD stat for Tac Sense.

  Dave- read what I wrote again... and tell me what I said.  Because what you said is what I said except I had fewer words. :) ;D :D
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Re: quick, stupid question about borrowing LD
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2006, 10:23:07 AM »
Sorry if I misunderstood, bro' - I thought that you were saying that a model could use its Leader's LD stat for Wait, etc.  ;)
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Re: quick, stupid question about borrowing LD
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2006, 11:15:46 AM »
Quote from: dmcgee1 on December 22, 2006, 10:23:07 AM
Sorry if I misunderstood, bro' - I thought that you were saying that a model could use its Leader's LD stat for Wait, etc.  ;)

S'no biggie...  just wanted you to check again.

  You have any time this weekend or you booked?
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Re: quick, stupid question about borrowing LD
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2006, 06:28:16 AM »
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Re: quick, stupid question about borrowing LD
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2006, 07:56:41 AM »
Quote from: Archer on December 22, 2006, 11:15:46 AM
Quote from: dmcgee1 on December 22, 2006, 10:23:07 AM
Sorry if I misunderstood, bro' - I thought that you were saying that a model could use its Leader's LD stat for Wait, etc.  ;)

S'no biggie...  just wanted you to check again.

  You have any time this weekend or you booked?

Archer you have the "Gamer Family" the rest of us can only dream of. Most people would be skinned alive to ask if someone had time for a game Christmas Eve weekend. If my family discovered I skipped one of the family get-togethers to push pewter I'd be faced with the painful task of eating and then pooping said pewter and as we all know the DL was sculpted with spikey bits....  :o
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Re: quick, stupid question about borrowing LD
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2007, 09:34:21 AM »
I'm having some conflicting answers here, I think...

dmcgee1 and archer say:
Each model uses it's own LD for purposes of it's own LD tests (Wait, Spot, etc.).
A model may "borrow" the Sgt.'s (or other officer's) LD for Panic checks, and may borrow the Tac Sense skill of the Leader model, but not it's LD stat for Tac Sense.

But PFC Joe:
If a squad member is within C.D. of a Squad Leader (or passing Officer) they may use his LD value. -PFC joe
As long as they're within Command Distance, any friendly unit can use their Leadership. -PFC joe
and Dragon62:
> Soo... Sgt is within C.D. of an officer, then all squad can use officer's LD for morale tests AND all other LD-related tests (except those that must use personal LD)?
Yes they can. -Dragon62

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Re: quick, stupid question about borrowing LD
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2007, 09:41:42 AM »
The only time models can use the LD score of another model is for Morale tests.  No other time.  Sergeants and Individuals lend their LD value to troops in their CD because having them around is either inspiring, or downright scarey cuz you don't want them to kick your arse for being a whimp.

The tac sense skill can be utilized by the members of a squad if the sergeant has the skill but they must make the tac sense roll using their own LD value.

Disclaimer:  I am going completely from memory, so if I recollect something wrong please point out the contrary with excerpts from the rule book.
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Re: quick, stupid question about borrowing LD
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2007, 04:22:07 PM »
Ok, thanks, great!
Just one more thing.

A) If I have Officer with LD 14 and resolve: 2, and model A with LD 15, does model A roll under 15 or 16 for morale rolls?
B) If I have Officer with LD 14, and model A with LD 11 and resolve: 2, does model A roll under 14 or 16 for morale rolls?

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A model with Resolve may add his level to his effective leadership when making moral tests of a personal nature
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Re: quick, stupid question about borrowing LD
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2007, 08:24:36 AM »
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A model with Resolve may add his level to his effective leadership when making moral tests of a personal nature
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well, if it only affects him (contrary to inspiration)

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A) If I have Officer with LD 14 and resolve: 2, and model A with LD 15, does model A roll under 15 or 16 for morale rolls?
-> 15


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B) If I have Officer with LD 14, and model A with LD 11 and resolve: 2, does model A roll under 14 or 16 for morale rolls?
->16 *edited*
« Last Edit: March 22, 2007, 10:15:42 PM by Aldrien »
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