looking for BH crenshaw tactics

[monte_kev]

I just picked up a Crenshaw model and am thinking about adding him to the army list, can anyone share their ideas on using him in a way that 62 points is justified?

let me hear your crenshaw tactics

[kwegibu]

Uh. Yea.

Doesn't really live up to his fluff.

[T Prime]

No surprise but I like him. He is a stealth model and should be used for sneaking around. Don't place him on the board until you have a specific target. Remember also he is in stalk mode when deployed. Take Litany of Might to add a ridiculous amount of damage to his already 13 damage cc attack. With three wounds and many healers in the BH forces he should be a real pain if used right.

[PFC joe]

Don't forget the bonus to Dam and CC when charging from Stalk.

Couple that with a lvl 10 Stalk to burn off waits and actions and he's hard to intercept.


He's good for tying up (and eliminating) high dollar value support units and individuals, IE Force Commanders and expensive specialists.   Try tossing him at Vulkans, they have a hard time dealing with a dedicated CC master.  Speakin of monsters, I've seen him go toe to toe with DL fuglies and do just fine.

Most people that have problems with him are just used to 2cd ed where he dropped and wiped out a squad at a time.

-PFC joe

[Topkick]

Crenshaw is the ultimate assassin - putting him in the center of the table as a commander fig is basically wasting him and his points. Like E Prime and PFC_Joe said - pick a target and wipe it out. Wiping out your opponent's Sean Gallagher or Vince Diamond and then killing everything else you can will more than pay for Crenshaw.

[kwegibu]

Hmm. I guess I have never really given him a fair shot. I admit to predjudice over the dumbing down of Unseen Assailant. But still, once he attacks something, he dies. If the other person lets you use him in a way were they don't kill him right away and minimize the amount of actions he can actually use to attack instead of move then they are silly and will die a terrible death. But I think i will try him out again, i've only used the UWZ crenshaw a few times - and it just seemed like there were so many things using him well would be dependent on and I usually just ended up using him as a detterent instead of a hardcore kill everything assasin like I want him to be.

[PFC joe]

I've seen entire boards played around him.  Trying to stay out of charge range but reserving enough actions in case he pops.  He's more than worth the points in the amout of acitons he forces the opponent to burn to deal with him.

Just don't charge him into the guns and you'll do fine.

(he works rather well against Nepharites too)

-PFC joe

[kwegibu]

Hehe, well i just finished a game with him, and he did work out rather well. He held up most of the  enemy army while i picked them off. Then with just two nephrites left he sprung and did surprusinly well, but that was mostly due to the opponent gaining initiave but then rolling a 20 on the attack back, and then missing the next two. When the second nephrite attacked, cren managed to absorb it all. At this point he quit, as crenshaw was undobtedly going to finish off both of them. (Plus I still had most of my army anyway, and he stood very little chance even with his flys flying all over the place)

Well, worth his points or not he sure was a lot of fun. And in this game he was worth every last point, or maybe the nephrites he was fighting just couldn't live up to theirs. hehe

[Pietia]

Forget all the "sneak up and gut somebody with the sword" - fulfill requirements for Fire Missions, and drop the Judgement on enemy heads. Crenshaw fulfills the BH requirements for initiating and dropping FMs, and is very good in this capacity.

[PFC joe]

That's the other tactic.

Pop him and then have every squad leader on the board add +2 damage.

watch Biogiants wet themselves before poofing into flames.

-PFC joe

[Pietia]

Either Squad Leaders, or simply (if you're not using paladins and such) use a squad of Valkyries. Every single one of those babes has Channel....

[monte_kev]

so check this to see if I am thinking correct:

-I see a nice target, that I can land 12" (unseen) clear of any enemy. I deploy crenshaw in lvl 10 stalk mode.

action 1-3: move 3" each toward target

next turn (within 3" of target)

action 1: charge from stalk (reveiling myself)

attack#1: 11+2(sword)+2(stalk charge) = CC15
DAM: ST+5 = 8+5+2(stalk charge) = DAM15

action 2: channel might
action 3: attack

attack#2: 11+2(sword)= CC13
DAM: ST+5 = 8+5+3(might) = DAM16

WOW that would be insanly nasty....I am digging it

this is how it would work right? since I cannot channel while in stalk b/c that would reviel myself thus not gaining the stalk charge bonus. so stalk charge first then channel and then attack.

[monte_kev]

Forget all the "sneak up and gut somebody with the sword" - fulfill requirements for Fire Missions, and drop the Judgement on enemy heads. Crenshaw fulfills the BH requirements for initiating and dropping FMs, and is very good in this capacity.

hmmm I have never used fire missions.....but I was just reading and it said the spotting model must have channel and the cleasing flame power, crenshaw doesn't have this....

do you mind going through a fire mission senerio using crenshaw?

[Pietia]

IIRC it has been clarified some time ago that the "Cleansing Flame" bit is just fluff. It works like any other FM (and the steps are the same), but instead of FOs, BH Channellers add chits to the FM. The chits result not only in better accuracy, but also in higher damage. So:

1. Crenshaw spots a nice juicy target and puts a counter for (I don't remember if it is 1 or 3 actions)
2. every channeller on board that sees the target spends 1 action and adds another chit
3. You have to add at least 2 chits
4. (next turn) Crenshaw calls down the FM. If you've added enough chits, everything under the large template dies, unless it is able to roll 1 for AR test.

[monte_kev]

if the cleansing flame is fluff then there is no way to fail the judgement fire mission, is that right?