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Talaminiatures => Announcements => Topic started by: alt_joe on March 13, 2006, 05:53:49 PM
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well. here (http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/rants.html) it is.
-PFC joe
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Yep. Here's the link:
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/rants.html
Mark
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(you can just click on the word "here")
I'm not sure what to think. FFG makes outstanding games, but it's a Collectibles game.
interesting times.
-PFC joe
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Oh dear.
I don't know if I should be frightened or not.
Howerver, their Doom game rocks. :)
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Maybe it was just a kneejerk reaction, but I couldn't help but feel my stomach sink when I read that press release. Fantasy Flight does indeed make great games. Beautiful games. And, if they had produced a Mutant Chronicles miniatures game before the first incarnation of Warzone, I would probably have looked on the preview figures at GenCon with appreciation.
But, unfortunately, this game does not predate Warzone. It is, for all intents and purposes, the successor of the game that keeps all of us coming to this site. And, this successor is about as far from the original as it can get while still being called a miniatures game. While we no doubt all love the MC background, I'm pretty sure that most of us were first attracted to the game after being introduced to its solid rules system. And FFG has, for all intent and purposes, informed us that they won't be using the same rules system. While I can appreciate an elegant, stream-lined system, one that touts itself as alleviating the tedium of assembling army lists leaves me worried. I've yet to meet a person who found constructing armies in WZ to be intimidating.
And while FFG seems to have found a remedy for the concern that any licensee would have to worry about a glut of old WZ figs in the market, the choice of 36mm means that I'll be doing nothing more than admiring the figs at GenCon. I truly think that FFG could have built themselves a market without making part of that market old fans of MC figures who need to buy a whole new scale just to stay current. Keep the scale and armies consistent to satisfy the veterans, but release only new toys to attract a new market.
Oh well, as numerous others have mentioned, we've still got our figures and copies of our favorite incarnations of the rules. Guess we'll just have to see whether or not FFG produces a game that attracts us the same way the originals did.
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I see on that site it states there will be 36mm detailed and painted. So what will the game become mage knight set in the MC universe? I hope not. I been around since the beginning and will hate to see the game change again.
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I see on that site it states there will be 36mm detailed and painted. So what will the game become mage knight set in the MC universe? I hope not. I been around since the beginning and will hate to see the game change again.
I believe that is absolutely FFG's intent. I am not very happy about this at all. I like FFG and own several of their games, however this does not seem to be the Warzone that I will play. I will continue to play with the miniatures I already own with the UWZ rules. It does bum me out though to think of all the unreleased minis and no support. I guess my last hope is that Chronopia gets picked up by a company that wants to continue with Chronopia in at least somewhat of it's original state.
I do hope I'm wrong, but the press release seems to indicate a tremendous change.
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Gotta side with Joe on this one. This is among the worst-case scenarios I was worried about.
Let me be the resident schnook on this one:
I don't have a good feeling about this.
I am going to insert a line of stars and you can put in whatevery profanity you feel applies
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I don't feel enthusiastic about this and am not willing to put on a happy face.
I've seen their LOTR stuff and although I'm sure it is of good enough quality and what-not it is not a miniature game, it's a CCG with lousy rubber figs. Let's face it, there is already a legitmate (and I know I've said the worst things about GW) TTG; why the heck would they want to do up another one? This tells me that they are in it only for the cash (yes all game companies are in it for the cash but most give some indication of loving the game or its world or whatever). That and their lineup seems oddly devoid of original titles.
Yeah, not a warm and fuzzy on this one. I'd start planning a rendezvous point like dakkadakka if this place goes down.
V/R
Ian
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Any hopes I had for the future this game have now been thouroghly extinguished.
Plastic pre-painted Vulkan battle suits. That I may or may not get in a booster. Yeah, I'll be spending loads of money on the new game.
Whoopee.
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Yeah, not a warm and fuzzy on this one. I'd start planning a rendezvous point like dakkadakka if this place goes down.
V/R
Ian
A rendezvous site is a good idea.
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i'm not sayin it's a bad thing. it's not the direction I would have gone though.
They're doin what they have to. They have the problem of having a great game they can't give away as everyone that already plays it has more than enough for their friends and their friends friends.
I don't know though.
I'm love the universe and darnation I don't want it to fail again.
I'm gonna do everything I can to make sure that it survives in one way or another.
-PFC joe
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Well...the wife's been puking all day...and now I know why....
I think I'll pray to the porcelain god for awhile, in a vain attempt to get the image of a Warzone CMG dislodged from my brain....
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Hmmmm.....well, I'm sure it will be a nice product and hopefully will be well developed and supported. We just have to get used to the idea that this will be a totally different game. What will survive? We'll see.
It is a real shame that the scale changed though....I know I'll never invest the money to start over. I have thousands of points of all factions.
Still, if they do some nice work, I could see myself building a Wolfbane force to play with. It may even be more "accessible" to a younger crowd and something I can play with my son.
Try not to just look at the worst in everything, guys. Yes it's change. Yes there are things we won't be happy about (historically, when have we ever really been?). On a positive note, there will be a game, new figures, new rules and some support for the MC/WZ universe. Let's at least play it before we have a cow. Will it be the game we've known and loved (or liked....or....whatever)? No. But it will be a game, with support from a company who has shown they can produce some nice games.
No one says you can't play UWZ...or WZ or WZII all you like....I intend to. That doesn't mean I won't be looking forward to the new game. I mean, heck.....we enjoyed Blood Berets, Fury of the Clansmen, SoTC. Why can't we really enjoy another game too? Seriously.
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Still, if they do some nice work, I could see myself building a Wolfbane force to play with.
I'm still trying to sort thru my feelings on this one and how to express them but this quote by Alpha illustrates a point that has always bothered me about CMG's and will be especially true in this instance. CMG's are sold in random packs so how do you build any specific force to play with unless you commit large amounts of time and money to gathering a plethora of figs you have no interest in while seeking the ones you do want?
As for the scale at 36mm these figs are guaranteed not to work with any of the terrain I have spent my time and money collecting to enhance my miniatures gaming experience. So in addition to having to give up my collection of armies, I will be forced to spend time and money in seeking out and buying 36mm terrain. As this is an uncommon scale I would probably have to expend time, money and effort in building terain from scratch. The one saving grace as I have moved form mini game to mini game over the years was that the terrain was forever. Now......
The fact that the game is going into CMG mode allows us to look to other CMG style games to see the future of Warzone. Having been an Envoy for Wizkids I have seen the future of Warzone under this style format. I left Wizkids over the debacle of retiring sets. I see no option for FFG but to follow this ill advised path. The purpose of a CMG is to sell minis so they will eventually retire figs and force you to buy essentially the same fig because the original set it was included in has been retired from play. It is the nature of the CMG.
Is the Warzone CMG going to be a good game? - I truthfully do not know. Is it the direction Paradox should have gone? - I honestly do not think so. Is the CMG road one I will travel with Warzone as I have all the other roads the game has gone down? - I doubt it.
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Well, I can't admit that I'm happy with this turn of events, but I'm curious as to what they will do with the setting and miniatures. As a somewhat MC junkie I think I'm gonna buy it anyhow, just to see how it works out.
Cheers
TC
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Yeah, not a warm and fuzzy on this one. I'd start planning a rendezvous point like dakkadakka if this place goes down.
V/R
Ian
A rendezvous site is a good idea.
http://www.minirealms.com/ ?
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I really don't feel comfortable talking about a game in another company's forum, so I'll just mention a few things.
1) FFG is not doing Warzone. FFG is doing a completely new game set in the MC universe. There is a chance that FFG might do a new version of Warzone in the future, but is it doubtful as the metal miniature market is rather full of excellent games.
2) The scale isn't set in stone as the figures haven't been produced yet. If you want to see a different scale (and are willing to actually buy the game when it comes out), email FFG at ffg@fantasyflightgames.com . Remember that polite, well-reasoned arguments will actually be read.
3) The current scale, 36mm, is roughly equivelent to the O scale in model railroading
4) If you are interested in playtesting the new game, email me at playtest@fantasyflightgames.com with the subject "MC playtesting" . I have only a few slot reserved for current Warzone fans, so please don't be disappointed if I turn you down. Also, please don't email me any complaints. I have no power to change things and I'll simply delete your email.
Mike Edward Zebrowski
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A rendezvous site is a good idea.
http://www.minirealms.com/ ?
I'm there. I hope this website lives on but it does not take a Brotherhood Mystic to see with EE's financial troubles this place may not be around for long sadly.
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What will happen with all the Warzone/Chronopia stuff EE still has in stock?
Is it still for sale or is it going to be destroyed?
I hope I can still lay my hand on some stuff.
TC
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Check the thread about whether or not EE is bankrupt.
-PFC joe
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Thanks for the info, but that didn't really answer my question.
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2) The scale isn't set in stone as the figures haven't been produced yet. If you want to see a different scale (and are willing to actually buy the game when it comes out), email FFG at ffg@fantasyflightgames.com . Remember that polite, well-reasoned arguments will actually be read.
3) The current scale, 36mm, is roughly equivelent to the O scale in model railroading
The biggest item is not just the size but the quality of the figures that will be the biggest seller to most gamers the Axis & Allies figures were a real let down after all the hipe
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Oh well ... my worst case scenario was Hasbro with pre-painted rubber "miniatures".
So it's FFG and not Hasbro. Ok...
I was already phasing out from WZ to Urban War and I think now I have a real reason to convert WarZone stuff to Urban War system.
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I'll give any new incarnation of the Mutant Chronicles universe a try, but based on what I have seen I am not enthusiastic. Of course we don't know much at this point and all the detials remain to be seen, not to mention I'm still struggling to get over my knee jerk fear of change. The two biggest issues I see are the collectable nature of the proposed game and the scale.
I dislike the idea of investing in a product without specific knowledge of what I'm getting for my money. The theory behind the collectable game market is that people will continue to purchase the boosters in hopes of getting that last mini they need to complete their army. I for one will not due that, I stopped playing Magic the Gathering in 1996 at the age of 13 when I came to the conclusion that continuing to accumulate a staggering number of cards I will never use was a rediculous proposition, I have yet to get involved in another random collectable game since. Another pitfall of the Collectable Miniatures game market is variety, looking at the Star Wars collectable miniatures game as an example we see that they've released 4 sets over the course of 4 years, each set containing 60 distinct miniatures, that means that in total there have been 240 distinct sculpts released for that game, which even after 4 productive years of introducing new product there is less variety of troops available than we've grown accustomed to with Warzone. Especially in a setting with 14 unique factions seeing them all represented and well developed will be nigh impossible.
Scale is an issue, not only asthetically (which is entirely a matter of personal preference), but also as Topkick pointed out practically when considering terrain. MikeE's post reminding us that 36mm is approximately O scale was likely an effort to point out some readily available terrain, but I haven't come accross much in the way of model railroad terrain that really says Mutant Chronicles to me. Especially since I've just finished recreating all 9 original Seige of the Citidel boards in 28mm scale to use as indoor fighting terrain.
A final concern I have is the potential rule set, while I know nothing about it the claims that it is "simple" and "streamlined" raise concerns that it will lack the level of nuance and tactical variety we've enjoyed in previous MC miniature games.
All in all I am interested to see what FFG will produce and how it stacks up to my addmittedly high expectations. I promise to try to remember that this is an entirely new game and not the future of warzone. Hopefully they will also decide to continue warzone in a manner more akin to the Table top game we know and love.
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I think FFG will make an excellent product. I have enjoyed playing all of there games.
They will restore faith in the brand, every game store carries FFG. This can only be positive for the future of MC.
As for the future of Warzone as we know it specifically, we'll have to wait and see. I don't regret excelsiors era, and look forward to whatever awaits us. Worst comes to worse we can still continue to enjoy UWZ or 2nd or 1st edition :)
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I wish FFG the best of luck, but I think I'm with Topkick on this one. :'(
Is the Warzone CMG going to be a good game? - I truthfully do not know. Is it the direction Paradox should have gone? - I honestly do not think so. Is the CMG road one I will travel with Warzone as I have all the other roads the game has gone down? - I doubt it.
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Well lets hope that who even gets the RPG license will make a good showing of updating the system and setting.
PMP Ving
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The point has been made and it is valid, that FFG is not making WZ but a different aspect of the universe. Yes, we all (or at least most) have enjoyed the MC universe in various incarnations. As part of my Crusader application I even boasted that I have a complete set of DoomTrooper (the card game for those who don't recognize the name). However, how often do we actually play those other incarnations? My SotC/Fury/ Blood Beret pieces are converted/painted and used for my UWZ games. The bottom line is that we (here at this forum) are here because of the metal-mini game and not the other aspects of the universe. All of the other incarnations are fine for what they are but, the backbone of this universe has been the metal table top for many years now. It has even usurped the genesis of this universe, the RPG!
I harbor no ill will towards FFG. They are a business and they are doing what businesses do. They are indeed doing what they feel they must in order to MAKE MONEY! The game may or may not be fun and successful, however, many of the things that have been mentioned as improvements to the system, I take as a slap in the face. What they call tediousness in creating a force list I call an opportunity to showcase my strategy and style. Why do the rules need to be streamlined? As a community we tend to agree that (typos and editing aside) we have one of, if not the best rules system around in the realm of miniatures gaming.
I actually do wish FFG luck and appreciate them adding another option to the MC universe. However, I feel as if they are not considering the desires of the current fan base of this universe. They seem to be going out of thier way to design a game which does not appeal to the group which kept this universe alive, only for them to grab the license and CAPITALIZE on the blood, sweat, and tears of those who have sponsored the game before them!
I encourage everyone who is a fan of the MC universe to try out the game with an open mind. I think that it may indeed find a place within the realm of MC much like SotC, Fury, DoomTrooper, etc. but, I think that FFG is fool-hearty if they think that it will take the place of the table top metal-minis.
That said, I further encourage everyone to not panic and start selling off your metal thinking that the system is dead. I know that Joe, myself, Topkick and others are looking at preserving UWZ and keeping it not just alive, but thriving. If you don't believe me, make your way to Origins this year. The Mid-Western Crusaders' Club will be hosting enough UWZ and Chronopia events that we do not have a break in the schedule from Thursday morning to Saturday at midnight.
Respectfully,
Stalker
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The point has been made and it is valid, that FFG is not making WZ but a different aspect of the universe. Yes, we all (or at least most) have enjoyed the MC universe in various incarnations. As part of my Crusader application I even boasted that I have a complete set of DoomTrooper (the card game for those who don't recognize the name). However, how often do we actually play those other incarnations? My SotC/Fury/ Blood Beret pieces are converted/painted and used for my UWZ games. The bottom line is that we (here at this forum) are here because of the metal-mini game and not the other aspects of the universe. All of the other incarnations are fine for what they are but, the backbone of this universe has been the metal table top for many years now. It has even usurped the genesis of this universe, the RPG!
I harbor no ill will towards FFG. They are a business and they are doing what businesses do. They are indeed doing what they feel they must in order to MAKE MONEY! The game may or may not be fun and successful, however, many of the things that have been mentioned as improvements to the system, I take as a slap in the face. What they call tediousness in creating a force list I call an opportunity to showcase my strategy and style. Why do the rules need to be streamlined? As a community we tend to agree that (typos and editing aside) we have one of, if not the best rules system around in the realm of miniatures gaming.
I actually do wish FFG luck and appreciate them adding another option to the MC universe. However, I feel as if they are not considering the desires of the current fan base of this universe. They seem to be going out of thier way to design a game which does not appeal to the group which kept this universe alive, only for them to grab the license and CAPITALIZE on the blood, sweat, and tears of those who have sponsored the game before them!
I encourage everyone who is a fan of the MC universe to try out the game with an open mind. I think that it may indeed find a place within the realm of MC much like SotC, Fury, DoomTrooper, etc. but, I think that FFG is fool-hearty if they think that it will take the place of the table top metal-minis.
That said, I further encourage everyone to not panic and start selling off your metal thinking that the system is dead. I know that Joe, myself, Topkick and others are looking at preserving UWZ and keeping it not just alive, but thriving. If you don't believe me, make your way to Origins this year. The Mid-Western Crusaders' Club will be hosting enough UWZ and Chronopia events that we do not have a break in the schedule from Thursday morning to Saturday at midnight.
Respectfully,
Stalker
Very well said Stalker. I agree with everything you have stated. Know that the Louisville crew (Myself, Mark and Trevor) will be there with you guys every step of the way. We love both Chronopia and Warzone and we can't wait to get some more games in with you guys. Origins is a maybe at this point (I am getting married on June 11th and will be cutting it close getting back from the honeymoon) but we want to hook up as soon as possible for some gaming with, in our opinion, the best mini game system out there.
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Great post Stalker, had to give a karma for it. ;D
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The game may or may not be fun and successful, however, many of the things that have been mentioned as improvements to the system, I take as a slap in the face. What they call tediousness in creating a force list I call an opportunity to showcase my strategy and style. Why do the rules need to be streamlined?
You are mis-understanding the intent of the ad-copy. FFG is not comparing their game specifically to Warzone. They are refering to miniature games in general. They do have a few fair points. Miniature games are not known for their brevity of rules. And between points values and TO&Es, force creation can be a hassle.
I personally play a number of miniature games (Everything from Attack Vector:Tactial to Flames of War) and disagree with FFG about how they are promoting the different facets of their game. I'll let them know that they are being insulting to the existing Warzone fan base.
FFG always tries new ideas with their games and their approach to force creation is pretty interesting and has potential. They are not interested in making a WH40K clone, a Warmachine clone, a Mechwarrior clone, nor a Warzone clone. They want to make something new and put their own stamp on the hobby.
However, I feel as if they are not considering the desires of the current fan base of this universe.
Warzone fans do not make up the entire fan base of Mutant Chronicles. As you said, MC:CMG is not Warzone. Blame Paradox for not allowing both miniature games to exist at the same time. Battletech and Mechwarrior have been co-existing for a number of years now without ill-effect.
I think that FFG is fool-hearty if they think that it will take the place of the table top metal-minis.
I think that I can say that FFG agrees with you. They are not aiming for the metal-minis market, they are aiming for the market that Wizkids discovered.
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I think that I can say that FFG agrees with you. They are not aiming for the metal-minis market, they are aiming for the market that Wizkids discovered.
Confirmation of what I posted earlier in this thread. At this point I think it appropriate to paraphrase Molly Hatchet's Fall of the Peacemakers -
A wise man told me there's something you should know - the way you judge a man is you look into his soul...and you'll soon see everything
I was an Envoy for Wizkids and stared into it's soul and I know what is there - Greed. Figures that were progressively worse than the previous release; a retirement system to force players to continually replace figures in order to play in sanctioned events; a sanctioned event system rife with corruption and favoritism....I could go on but why. The decision is made and the FFG's Head of Playtesting has just told you the direction his road will take the game.
I will not go down that road but I wish all my forum family that do peace and a good journey. I will follow my own path. Maybe some of my brothers will join me; maybe not. For all of us I echo the sentiment of Edward R. Murrow - "Good Night and Good Luck"
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I will not go down that road but I wish all my forum family that do peace and a good journey. I will follow my own path. Maybe some of my brothers will join me; maybe not. For all of us I echo the sentiment of Edward R. Murrow - "Good Night and Good Luck"
I was just waiting for you to say "so long...and thanks for all the fish"
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I was saving my Hitxhhikers Guide quotes for my final post before they turn out the lights ;D
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The decision is made and the FFG's Head of Playtesting has just told you the direction his road will take the game.
Except that I didn't say any of that. I don't know what the organized play plans are as they are not my concern and I'm too busy playtesting other games at the moment.
Wizkids discovered that there was a market for pre-painted miniatures with a reduced ruleset. It is quite different from the metal-miniatures market.
The metal-miniatures market is composed of people who like to paint and mod miniatures, create terrain, create army lists, and play a game. The majority of the time is spent on painting and modding miniatures. It is the market of the serious gamer.
The pre-painted market is composed of people who like to create army lists and playing the game. It is the market of the casual gamer.
It is a potentially big market. At my local game store, D&D minis is their number 1 seller outpacing even 40K (and they have a real healthly 40K crowd).
Just because FFG is aiming at the same market does not mean that their business plans are the same.
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The decision is made and the FFG's Head of Playtesting has just told you the direction his road will take the game.
Just because FFG is aiming at the same market does not mean that their business plans are the same.
Lie down with dogs and you get up with fleas buckwheat. You are the one that attached your company's market aims to Wizkid's name - I'm just the one that pointed out that it wasn't a smart association.
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Lie down with dogs and you get up with fleas buckwheat. You are the one that attached your company's market aims to Wizkid's name - I'm just the one that pointed out that it wasn't a smart association.
First of all, it isn't my company. I don't work for FFG. I run their playtest program as a volunteer.
Secondly, it is an historical fact that Wizkids discovered/created the pre-painted miniatures market.
Thirdly, you are the one making the association between target market and business plans.
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First of all, it isn't my company. I don't work for FFG. I run their playtest program as a volunteer.
I understand this arguement. I used to use it when someone tried to use my personal opinion and turn it into an official Excelsior position. I sympathize with you but stand by my point.
Secondly, it is an historical fact that Wizkids discovered/created the pre-painted miniatures market.
If you say so - as it is not germaine to my point I won't look into this claim
Thirdly, you are the one making the association between target market and business plans.
Probably because the target market is an important part of a business plan. So is how you plan to treat that target market. As I stated before - You are the one that attached the company's market aims to Wizkid's name - I'm just the one that pointed out that it wasn't a smart association.
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I'm just the one that pointed out that it wasn't a smart association.
No, you are the one forecasting doom and gloom based on your previous experience with Wizkid's organized play program.
You took a comment that I meant as a positive note and turned it into the second coming.
Just to make the intent of my comment clear: MC:CMG is not a replacement for Warzone. It is aimed at a different segment of the market. There is a chance that FFG or some other company will bring Warzone back once Paradox decides that the market can support two miniature games based on Mutant Chronicles.
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Mike E.
I don't know you at all. Nor do I know what your companies plans are.
YES, since you seem to be the point person, right now that makes you the company rep., no matter how you argue against it.
just consider this. In referance to Wiz Kids.
If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and acts like a duck. Chances are It's a duck.
And about blaming Paradox, FFG when you point the finger, four fingers point back at you.
All the same, I wish you no ill will. You're just caught in this Soap Opera like everyone else.
Best of luck with your CMG.
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Wizkids discovered that there was a market for pre-painted miniatures with a reduced ruleset. It is quite different from the metal-miniatures market
That's true, and ideally that's how it should have gone. However, anyone that has played WK's games for any length of time knows the frustration that goes with having a rulebook that is 6 pages long, and 20 pages of FAQ's.
The reduced ruleset comes at quite a cost. Simplicity is not always the best option.
The pre-painted market is composed of people who like to create army lists and playing the game. It is the market of the casual gamer.
It also happens to be the market of the under 12 set, with Mommy and Daddy's money to spend so they'll get out of their hair for a couple of hours. This is, by it's very nature, the target of the CMG market. People with lots of money to blow, and very short attention spans.
It is a potentially big market. At my local game store, D&D minis is their number 1 seller outpacing even 40K (and they have a real healthly 40K crowd).
Not at all surprising, considering a CMG'er has to buy new sets every few months just to keep up with playability and new rules/figs/shiny new bits/what have you. This is the very heart of the CMG, and any other collectible game. You have to keep buying to stay current. This is something I abhor like little else.
Just because FFG is aiming at the same market does not mean that their business plans are the same.
To think that FFG will not take this route is laughable at best. You can't make a collectible game survive without it. It simply cannot be done. Again, it goes back to the very mechanics and habits of a collectible game, or anything else collectible, for that matter. In order to stay current, you have to get the newest set, newest fig, whatever it may be. It is a never-ending, check-writing, Rytalin-filled power struggle.
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I'm just the one that pointed out that it wasn't a smart association.
No, you are the one forecasting doom and gloom based on your previous experience with Wizkid's organized play program.
You took a comment that I meant as a positive note and turned it into the second coming.
Just to make the intent of my comment clear: MC:CMG is not a replacement for Warzone. It is aimed at a different segment of the market. There is a chance that FFG or some other company will bring Warzone back once Paradox decides that the market can support two miniature games based on Mutant Chronicles.
Item 1 - You might get a bit more respect out of me if you showed yourself instead of hiding and sniping from the dark
Item 2 - Not forecasting anything - merely pointing out how what you said could be interpreted. How you meant it is less important than how it is preceived you meant it.
Item 3 - That decision will be based on the following - A) How the movie does; B) How well the CMG is received and how much of the potential market failed to materialize from fans who pass on the CMG concept.
I wished you good luck and said I didn't want to go down FFG's road - maybe if you had respected that this is EE's forum for the TTG version and not tried to hype your release you wouldn't have made the Wizkids comment and gotten yourself into this. You asked for this so suck it up buckwheat and play nice in our sandbox
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Item 1 - You might get a bit more respect out of me if you showed yourself instead of hiding and sniping from the dark
You mean besides posting my full name? I normally post as Mike Z, but in this case I posted as Mike E. My middle name is Edward and my last name is Zebrowski. Just type "Mike Z" or Mike Zebrowski and gaming into google and you'll find all sorts of information on me.
I wished you good luck and said I didn't want to go down FFG's road - maybe if you had respected that this is EE's forum for the TTG version and not tried to hype your release you wouldn't have made the Wizkids comment and gotten yourself into this.
I haven't hyped a damm thing. I didn't start any of the topics related to this subject and have only responded to other people's posts with what little information that I have. If you rather wallow in ignorance, be my guest.
You asked for this so suck it up buckwheat and play nice in our sandbox
Oh, I have been playing nice.
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I think that FFG is a good company, and all that they will make will be good quality and positive for brand MC.
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Sandorado - never said they weren't or wouldn't...just said it wasn't for me and that this wasn't the place to hype it. Mr Unofficial here is taking offense over a comment I made about his comparison between FFG and Wizkids
Chill Mikey - don't blow a gasket. I meant stop logging in hidden - instead step up to the plate and let everyone know you're here.
As for hyping I have to disagree. We all appreciated the announcement and several people have begun to check in over at the FFG site. I haven't because I am not interested in the FFG approach to the game. Out of respect I have not chimed in over there to tell you how I feel - that is your sandbox. You should have posted an invitation for people with questions to go there. Instead you stayed here and hyped FFG's approach. To me that shows a lack of respect for those of us who haven't committed to the FFG approach. I'm not ignorant of CMG's; in fact you seem to be getting upset because I know about CMG's and pointed out something that you didn't like.
As for playing nice - my advice is to keep doing it.
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That are really bad news. Models in another scale! Argghhhh!
I'm not so familar with this. Is 36mm scale larger or smaller as the current UWZ scale?
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About 6mm bigger. Not a lot in the overall scheme of life but enough to be noticible with 25-30 mm terrain which is the standard
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Moderator Note!
Ok, everyone take a deep breath and cool it!
There's no use starting attacking anyone. Not here or in other fora.
A lot of us were hoping for someone to continue producing the Warzone we know and love. This is apparently not what FFG is going to do at the moment.
Who knows what the future will hold, maybe there will be a metal miniature game along the lines of Ultimate Warzone. I've recently had the distinction between Mechwarrior and Battletech (Classic) explained to me and that would have been a nice alternative.
Meanwhile as has been mentioned we the fans can try to keep things running until Paradox realizes that there can be two different games in the MC Universe.
I am sure FFG will produce a fun game since it seems they have made a bunch of games people like in the past. Will it appeal to me or the average UWZ fan? Maybe, maybe not. I will certainly get a starter and give it a chance but I'm not likely to get into the whole collectable thing.
/Andreas
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Topkick, I only write my opinion obout the topic:
Fantasy Flight Games will produce MC CMG
I'm a MC fan, more than Warzone fan.
New games? New miniatures? New players?
Good, good, good (like Sidious... ;D ).
But I'm displeasure for EE, the company that I considered like point of reference for many years.
I hope that Thom and all EE staff can work again to a new version of Warzone.
But in this topic we talk about a new game.
I have a dream: two miniatures games on Mutant Chronicles Universe.
Bye
Fabio
www.mutant.it
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hello all (waves awkwardly)
my name is gaz, i'm in australia. been playing mutant chronicles, warzone and all that type o stuffs since just about the beginning. i thought it all died when second ed died. but till a few nights ago i found a web site excelsior entertainment. wow it s still going i thought. then i found the forum link and i been reading a lot about what’s been going on.
hurray its not dead.
i don't really care what direction these new guys are taking it, i'm just glade something is happening with it.
my 2 cents or 1 cent is that this new direction is a type of 'probe' in to the market to see if there is still an interest. unlike my self, i'm sure these guys are business type people who know business type stuff like planning, graphs, vectors (you got know your vectors), pens in top pockets etc etc. and if it goes well, with what i term a 'probe' :-\, maybe a mini based game will follow.
who knows maybe they'll release a series of collectable thimbles, with the personalities you know and love displayed on the thimble. i'd love to do some quilt work with a Vince Diamond on my pinkie.
but seriously
it's obviously that the mutant chronicles universe is a big part of a lot of you, and that give me a lot of satisfaction to see a bunch of guys who haven’t give up on it through all the **** its gone through. don't get to cut up about it. you can still play the older systems as i did for about 2 years after i thought it was gone forever.
there are worst things in life, least you dont have to kill people to eat.
'probe' is really funny word. that just made my night.
it was nice meet you all and good luck
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i cant believe i got censord :-[
this internet thing is full of serprises.
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http://www.gamingreport.com/gallery/v/gamatradeshows/gts2006/games/minis/IMG_4878.JPG.html
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Well Ultimate Warzone's future is dead to me. I will not be purchasing Mutant Chronicles: Ultimate Clicking Prepaint Edition Volume Fore, I will not pruchase the Evil Clicking Venusian Jungles of Doom Expansion pack with limited edition Golden Venusian Ranger guaranteed if you buy an entire case. This will probably be the next Creepy Freeks. The market is already awash with collectible games, anyone notice a downturn in Pirates of the Spanish Main since they start American Arrr Pirates!! and whatnot?
Honestly I never thought the tombstone for Warzone would be prepainted and made out of plastic. Sure I'll have Ultimate Warzone and the occasional game I can sqaunder out of people. Perhaps I'll even manage to build more armies when ebay gets flooded with everyone jumping ship.
I am not Jack's Market Demographic for this game.
Will FFG care that they don't get any of my hard earned money? No. I as a veteran of Ultimate Warzone am not the audience they are trying to woo. Actually they'd probably prefer I go away altogether lest I put tarnish on this upcoming brand new game.
I am not bitter at FFG, they bought the license and have no obligation to tailor their products and company towards my taste. In general I am just angry that a game I love is entering the realms of exclusive fan support and I probably won't be able to find any of the miniatures I might be needing in the future.
I hope FFG does well. I'm sure they know they've drawn the Deadly Gypsy Eye Curse from everyone that pushes lead in the Warzone universe. I'd hazard it's of very little concern to their business plan fr the future.
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I will give them a chance. The idea of a game like Seige of the Citadel in 36mm with pre painted figures (that I can always repaint) kind of intrigueing.
PMP Ving
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...a game like Seige of the Citadel...
I wouldn't count on it - SotC was very far from CCG.
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Well I for one will give the game a chance, in fact sent in my request as a playtester yesterday. I think this is a good direction to take MC right now. And for the champions of 1st Ed this might even be a real plus, because this new game could see a return to the heroic gaming where 1 Doom trooper was worth a hundred zombies.
As far as the metal game, Warzone? I would like to see a kind of NetEpic thing where the fan base keeps it alive and coherent. But what I am going to do is return to 1st Ed. create stat lines for the new units that have released figures and play that. And the reason for that is that the fan base for WZ in my town was all 1st Ed. so it will be a lot easier to generate a group of players that way.
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MikeE.
After reading the posts and all, I kind of feel a little sorry for your posting here. I don't like to see people get flamed for providing information. (I am somewhat reminded of the saying about killing the messanger). I also understand that as a playtester for the new game, you have shown an interest in seeing the game succeed.
I have played 1-3rd editions of the game and loved it so much I can't even fathom going to another system. A sisuation I think many here are also in. I've tried many games in my 15+ years of table top gaming, from 1st ed 40k, Silent Death to HO scale modern wargames. I've always prefered the activation system in Warzone, and felt it was superiour to the other systems
I don't mind the prepainted minis, I still have an entire Elf chornopia army to paint, as well as the brother hood force I was rounding out. I have alot of the D&D collectible minis, as I have neither the time nor inclination to paint that much anymore (working full time does that to you). I will definitely want to see the game, but as someone pointed out the market is somewhat saturated.
Fantasy Flight Games is a good company, I have played many of their games and own quite a few (Twilight Imperium being one). That said, here are some suggestions you should take back to Fantasy Flight:
Keep the minitures in 28mm (D&D has 25mm, and id did not hurt their sales). As stated earlier, many persons have terrain designed for this scale. What is more interesting to get people playing, playing on a map or on a scaled model version of a Citidel.
Have two sets of rules, one basic, and one more advanced and like the Warzone TTG rules set.
Offer special sets based on corporation/faction. Something few CMG's have done.
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I look forward to FFG's MC products.
That said, it'd be a pity if that was at the expense of Warzone as we know it.
However, if the CMG is successful FFG may decide to expand the product line with TTG, RPG, etc. Who knows?
In the meantime, i think the direction the license thread took towards the end is a good one. A community supported game system might work, the only problem would be the actual miniatures themselves. If such a project took off, hopefully excelsior would make their last contribution by passing along their unreleased material.
Poor mishima. Always on the verge of getting a force book when the company goes under.
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How much space is going to be devoted to announcing the acquistion of the Mutant Chronicles Universe by FFG?
While it was polite for a rep to come here and inform us directly this is becoming more than annoying. The announcement should have been made and people directed to the FFG site to ask questions. This is still the Excelsior Forum and devoted to the TTG version of the game.
We all know that FFG has the rights now okay? We freakin get it. For those of you who think this is a good thing go to the FFG site and sign up on their forums. Then you can ask questioons, poor mouth Thom's and Excelsior's efforts or call me a low life SOB to your hearts content.
There are some of us who have invested more than time and money in this endeavor - I'm talking sweat, blood, heart and soul and for us this is not the news of Warzone's salvation. We are saddened at this ending and worried about the health of our brother and friend Thom Talamini.
If you want to stay be respectful of our loss and mindful of your manners as we would and will on your forums. Otherwise leave us in peace to regroup and help one another thru this.
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...looking forward to this CMG. Lets not kid ourselves, The Mutant Chronicles really needs exposure to the masses like Target gave it back in the day and this should do that well. Also, if the Movie actually comes out, I think a reawakening and reintroduction will hopefully follow...then you can invest in and pull out the big stuff like a RPG and TTG.
...as to the 36mm scale, ( which is more or less another way of saying 1:48 sacle ), I think thats a good move also...in fact it really is not much of a move at all from those 1st edition minis. Take a measurement of an old Warzone mini like a Capitol Freemarine and you will see. The minis were generally scaled BACK from those larger ones over time. So, I hope they do them up in 36mm as they will be abit larger but very compatible with all our other MC minis...really!
...THE MUTANT CHRONICLES is just to awesome and cool of a liscence to ever "die".
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I think, that Warzone has some future, and the future is not much worse without Excelsior. The strength of any miniature game lies in its fanbase, not in the company that supports it. Warzone survived few years without any support and will live on. Maybe we will have to convert our own minis from GW sets (although I guess that most of you guys have enough minis for a few lifetimes). In Poland Warzone survived for years with no support, no new minis - and Polish Warzone community is a very strong (if small) one. New rules, new force lists, new units - all those things may appear once the fans stop waiting for a company to make them and start developing the game they love themselves (e.g. in Poland we have a fan project in which we develop force lists for urban combat - armies like Capitol Security Police, Yakuza etc.). With few hundred fans worldwide such new rules may appear much faster than Excelsior could make them - after all it was a small company. Unless Paradox will choose to send "cease and desist" letters to such fans of course...
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Just to add my 2 cents as well - even if most of my thoughts were already mentioned.
FFG is producing something that (and we got it stated) is not Warzone. Based on others experience, it could turn out to be a good thing - even of not the cup for all of us.
On the positive side it can attract a lot of new people to the MC universe, and I really appreciate that actually someone in connection to FFG is giving informations about it.
To MikeE: Be a bit more understanding - for many of us the Warzone issue is a really deep cutting issue. Just concentrate on the CMG but you might get some useful information reading the forums here. I wish you good luck.
Warzone (and Chronopia) has a very strong fanbase and with enough "presence" Paradox might realize that there is still a lot of money in there. The problem is - I don`t know what kind of licence FFG has - does it potentially allows Warzone? Or Warzone is another licence?
In the meantime just keep playing and wait for our chances. ;)
Greetings,
Catinator
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There are some of us who have invested more than time and money in this endeavor - I'm talking sweat, blood, heart and soul and for us this is not the news of Warzone's salvation. We are saddened at this ending and worried about the health of our brother and friend Thom Talamini.
If you want to stay be respectful of our loss and mindful of your manners as we would and will on your forums. Otherwise leave us in peace to regroup and help one another thru this.
I'm in full agreement and expect to be putting more Blood, Sweat, Heart and Soul into this in at Origins 2006.
Mike, if you want to know what the EE family is all about, you'll see it there.
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I have watched the forums over the past few days and I will admit that I was outraged that anyone from another company would come to EE’s web site and try to hawk their product. To me it's like vultures trying to pick the bones of my dying dog before I have had a chance to cure him. I will also admit that it saddens me to see the end of my favorite game. Although many of the fans have not given up on their favorite games and I'm one of them. I have enough miniatures to hold onto and play the game with whoever will play with me. I have been around long enough to see several game systems come, go and evolve. I wish FFG all luck in the world. I commend all those open-minded people who really enjoyed Warzone and Ultimate Warzone for keeping an open mind and hoping for a game system that will do the mutant chronicles universe justice. I may even be one of them. I further admit that the reason I got into this game was the background. What kept me in the game was the Ultimate Warzone system. If Thom sees an opportunity to use the system with another background I am more likely to go in that direction.
I have been playing miniatures off and on for over 20 years now, the evolution of these games have varied in many ways. Some systems change, for balance sake, and for simplicity's sake. Most change for money's sake. I can't count the number of games that I enjoyed only to see them pulled from the market for the sake of change only to see that I have to purchase more (More rules, more figures, and more money). I have come to the conclusion that I would not be interested in another CMG game unless it is something that is not yet on the market. Example…. I bought into Pirates because there was not another fantasy boat game available on the market that I have found. I have GW's version (with a sweet little dwarf fleet I might add) but found it difficult to find a game with it as it holds a very special and limited click in the community. I might add that ships and system has been discontinued. I might also add that Pirates are becoming very annoying. I think the best game out there has to be Monopoly, the old system is still there and usable yet they infused new life into the game by building a theme around the game so that you can play any version you wish. They have adapted the popularity of various movies i.e. Star Wars, Star Trek and Lord of the Rings…. as well as used new technology (the computer version). Through it all they've maintained the old classics and stretched it into the future. I can really see our next great depression coming from harvesting this rich market until there is nothing left for the soil to give.
In my lifetime I have seen miniatures go from an elite few that played historical miniatures with very complicated rules for each game, to the widespread gaming community for fantasy and science fiction. Now it seems to me that their target market has dropped to the ages of preteens and early teens. I think they should leave them alone and let them learn to add and subtract first. But I realize that money is what makes the world go around and the more you can bleed the happier the companies will be. I can't point the finger at any one company for this situation in today’s society. It is what we've come to expect. As for this situation I cannot fault FFG for trying to drum up interest in a product of paradox’s that has been given such a bad reputation. FFG has a long hard road to plow. Thom had to go through it after targets situation and I might add was just beginning to see the light of trust. Maybe FFG will have a better chance. I wish them all the luck in the world. I look forward to seeing what they do with it. There is no need to speculate about a product without knowing what they will do with it. I just request that you let this dieing dog lie before you pick his bones clean, who knows he might live in.
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I very much enjoyed Chronopia and WZ, and have done so since before target collapsed. EE tried to revive the game. However, from all appearances the company was under capitalized and surviving off the scraps of target.
In fairness to Mike E. You can't blame a anyone for having a discussion of any type on a website, where the post directly below discusses the company's bankruptcy.
The success of FFG's new game will be little influenced by the present WZ players. However, it is admirable that FFG reach out and offer to include the current players in there plans.
WZ has struggled to survive for a long time. Perhaps, FFG will be a platform to get these games rolling again. If a new company is looking to the game's loyal fan base for input, that can't be a bad thing.
EE hasn't really contributed anything to signficantly further this game or the size of the fan base. Furthermore, the quality of the UWZ rulebook was lacking. This appears to be the result of under-capitalization rather than neglect.
Still it was sad to have watched both Target and EE wither and die.
I certainly wish the employees/gamers at EE all the best.
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Does this mean FFG is also doing Chronopia? or Chronopia has become the red headed step child?
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FFG is as far as anyone knows not doing Chronopia. The current information form Paradox is that they are talking to several interested parties about Chronopia.
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Kewl,
thanks for the update.
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Now it seems to me that their target market has dropped to the ages of preteens and early teens. I think they should leave them alone and let them learn to add and subtract first.
Come now, I hardly think that's fair. Perhaps I am an outlier but I have been playing WZ for over a decade and I started on the verge of teendom. Target market and actual market hardly mean a thing. That is especially relavent when you look at things like Star Wars or Doctor Who - or even the Wizard of Oz. They have giant international wizard of oz conventions every year and it's all adults. In short: Predjudice based on age is, like any broad predjudice, unjustified.
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This is my perspective, and i admit, up front, that i have NOT read all the posts, etc, on this topic. But, seems to me that in order for FFG to have come up with this game they needed a bit more time than the last 3 months to do the R&D on a game system, playtest it, create all the molds and mini's, and produce the full kits and supplements, etc, etc. (my rough guess is 6 months, though i could be wrong)
My point is this: Would they have come out with this game even if EE was still in control of the Warzone liscence? If the answer to this is "Yes", then, is it possible for someone else to obtain the rights to Warzone, and produce the mini's, rules, etc?
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I very much enjoyed Chronopia and WZ, and have done so since before target collapsed. EE tried to revive the game. However, from all appearances the company was under capitalized and surviving off the scraps of target.
In fairness to Mike E. You can't blame a anyone for having a discussion of any type on a website, where the post directly below discusses the company's bankruptcy.
The success of FFG's new game will be little influenced by the present WZ players. However, it is admirable that FFG reach out and offer to include the current players in there plans.
WZ has struggled to survive for a long time. Perhaps, FFG will be a platform to get these games rolling again. If a new company is looking to the game's loyal fan base for input, that can't be a bad thing.
EE hasn't really contributed anything to signficantly further this game or the size of the fan base. Furthermore, the quality of the UWZ rulebook was lacking. This appears to be the result of under-capitalization rather than neglect.
Still it was sad to have watched both Target and EE wither and die.
I certainly wish the employees/gamers at EE all the best.
Brook
As civilized people I wish to disagree. One can not (or at least should not) fault MikeE for coming to this forum and sharing the announcement as he did. However, like an alcoholic mother-in-law on dialysis, he overstayed his welcome. He continued to plug his new product and engage in unhealthy discussion. This both disrespected UWZ fans and rubbed salt into the wound in our own house!
Second, EE is the one who put Warzone and Chronopia back on the map. If it wasn't for EEs efforts, nobody would have ever been interested in making a movie and certainly, nobody would see the potential for profit in picking up the license for the MC Universe.
Last, if EE was suffering from a lack of capital, it was only because of "so-called supporters" of the game, saw fit to bad-mouth and criticize EEs efforts, instead of being encouraging and buying the best miniatures rules' system on the market inspite of the editing and formatting errors.
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Now it seems to me that their target market has dropped to the ages of preteens and early teens. I think they should leave them alone and let them learn to add and subtract first.
Come now, I hardly think that's fair. Perhaps I am an outlier but I have been playing WZ for over a decade and I started on the verge of teendom. Target market and actual market hardly mean a thing. That is especially relavent when you look at things like Star Wars or Doctor Who - or even the Wizard of Oz. They have giant international wizard of oz conventions every year and it's all adults. In short: Predjudice based on age is, like any broad predjudice, unjustified.
Yes but who were these "adults" when they were first introduced the Wizard of OZ? Just like your other two examples, these adults grew up with the movies/TV show. I am inclined to disagree. Target audience means a lot. Besides, have you ever tried to play a serious game against a pre-teen.
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Yes but who were these "adults" when they were first introduced the Wizard of OZ? Just like your other two examples, these adults grew up with the movies/TV show. I am inclined to disagree. Target audience means a lot. Besides, have you ever tried to play a serious game against a pre-teen.
You do raise a valid point which does indeed refute my argument. I still think its a misconception that adults are so much more capable though, i have always known as many stupid adults as i have chidren. I've had managers who still had trouble with adding and subtracting well into their forties. Age doesn't equate anything but the passage of time. Anytime anything to do with age restrictions/guidelines comes up it is bound to set me off.
Sorry for starting this tangent, as this line of debate is seriously off topic and i recognize my views are probably in the minority ;)
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Brook
As civilized people I wish to disagree. One can not (or at least should not) fault MikeE for coming to this forum and sharing the announcement as he did. However, like an alcoholic mother-in-law on dialysis, he overstayed his welcome. He continued to plug his new product and engage in unhealthy discussion. This both disrespected UWZ fans and rubbed salt into the wound in our own house!
Second, EE is the one who put Warzone and Chronopia back on the map. If it wasn't for EEs efforts, nobody would have ever been interested in making a movie and certainly, nobody would see the potential for profit in picking up the license for the MC Universe.
Last, if EE was suffering from a lack of capital, it was only because of "so-called supporters" of the game, saw fit to bad-mouth and criticize EEs efforts, instead of being encouraging and buying the best miniatures rules' system on the market inspite of the editing and formatting errors.
The issue that you pose about whether EE's enhancement of the license is an interesting one.
I have purchased two UWZ box sets, a Chronopia book, numerous models that appear to be repackaged models from target. Personally, I was glad to purchase them. I may be a "so-called supporter." I would have ran to the store to purchase the Mars or Venus supplements and would have bought the models that were featured in the supplements. It's just that the supplements did not come.
I don't think EE did anything significant to enhance the viability of a MC movie, and therefore shouldn't be credited with it. It is hard to believe that the UWZ rule book made a MC movie possible. A starship troopers movie didn't appear until how many decades after Heinlen released his book. I am not suggesting that UWZ hurt the movie's chances, but I just don't think it helped. How many retailers were listed on EE's website. I think the movie would be done with or without EE, just because the idea was circulating for a while.
The lack of capital is a problem that creates trouble for a tremendous amount of new companies. Its a fact of life. You have to pay the staff. Unfortunately, the game business is really a niche business area. However, look around the industry standards have improved dramatically in the last few years. Hard bound books, unbelievable models, and very good customer service are not the exception anymore. Great White Games (the company that produced deadlands) had to stop and re-adjust its production, because people just were not buying anything but full color books. All of these items add to the cost.
Gamers have come to expect and demand excellence, and quite frankly, they deserve it. After all this is America, and it's everyone's right to complain. In 2006, it appears that the money follows production quality and excellence.
As for Mike E, he was trying to offer an invitation. I think people are little sensitive right now, and he got sucked into a debate. That is easy enough to do. And, its understandable that people are sensitive. Ultimately, the whole Mike E discourse is without a lot of lasting meaning. FFG has the license, and I don't want to meet your mother in law(she sounds tough).
Your points are well taken though.
I was just wondering who owns the rights to the game mechanics (dark symetry system). Is that owned by EE or by Paradox. Why couldn't EE just produce a new rule set. Except that both of their pots are busted.
Finally, let nothing I said here detract from your comments or opinion. I find the whole issue sad. After all, for some people it was just a game, for others it was their livelihood. I would like to see the rule system live on and be well supported.
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Well, I looked at the 'concept' packaging and regardless of what's been stated here it sure LOOKS like WZ redone in clicks to me.
I've never been one to complain about companies who charge a fair price for a decent product. I realize they need to make money to stay in business and develop new product. But from the begining of the 'Collectable XXXX Game' paradigm I've been wary of it. The forced 'retiring' of cards/models that I've plunked my hard earned coin down for coupled with the need to purchase more and more and more of them to stay 'competetive' has made me balk and keeps me away. As for simplified rulesets they really don't bug me much, I still find GO MOKU a challenge and the rules there are about as simple as you can get. But no matter how simple or complex the ruleset with a collectable game, there will always be that guy with the 'ultra rare' version of Wolverine(tm) that so utterly "pwns" (computer power gamer lingo) the board that no set of tactics will possibly beat him. That's why I hate collectible gaming so much and it's why I won't buy this or any other CXG.
I have everything I need to play UWZ for as long as I can get anyone to play it with me. I can always...ALWAYS...find a suitable proxy out there if my minis ever get so worn I can't play with them. And of course I can always press them into service as proxies themselves for other wargames. I've said it before...this isn't the first wargame I've had go belly up on me, I still have the rules and lead from that game and sometimes get a game of it together too.
In short I don't wish FFG ill, but don't come here (hiding behind your 'volunteer' status) and p33 down my back and tell me it's raining. I can smell what you're sellin from a mile away and it's not shineola.
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Guess I'll chime in here, and apparently in the minority.
:)
I'm looking forward to seeing what FFG can do with the CMG.
As a general rule FFG produces games that are well done and have high quality components.
And as a big fan of pre-painted plastics, the way I look at it is even if the game doesn't end up being very good, at the very least it'll be another potential source for miniatures.
Kevin
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So - anyone have any news or update on this? I was talking with them about play testing, etc and was interested in the product. But nothing ever came of it and they didn't respond to my last couple of emails.
What's the scoop? Anyone helping with this? How far along is it? Any details you're allowed to share?
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I got suckered into mage knight. I will NEVER play a collectable mini game again. If you;re opponent is some bratty 12 year old with daddy warbucks parents you are toast.
wmeredith.
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They will find a place on my "display" shelf, where all the cool minis that i come across go and sit and look nice and never get used.
I think if they are collectible, but not in a mage knight format (ie: we get to see what we buy before hand) it might be pretty cool, you can throw down and not worry about chipping paint or rarity of your oop metal mini. I would love to show up with a sand bucket full of wolfbanes, and spill them out on the table..
We will see..
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That is why they want to do the bigger size
... which is a 100% turndown to me..
both sides shall spill their bucket on the table (in sellers view).
also: I think that new players using the plastics will be feeling unpleasent, if they play/see "old" WZ players in the comic shop. (mine are better, they are metal and old :D -> aww... :'()
-> the games will most likely not be compatible, perhaps even with new units
cu´s
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I scoured their website and didn't find anything....did this go belly up?
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I believe they moved the release date from Oct. 2006 to May 2007.
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That does not instill a load of confidence in an already questionable situation.
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The CMG is delayed because the movie is delayed (the rpg and the comic-book probably also). Summer 2007 is the new target release date for the movie. As all of those release dates will be probably synchronized with the motion picture, there is nothing to worry about.
I'm worried about something else - they want to change Mutant Chronicles into a steam-punk world. MC: CMG will probably reflect those changes also.
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yeah... every decision-maker thinks steam punk will attract the masses...
perhaps because the success of warmaschine..
I just spoke with a WHFB playing friend. he said this, also.
there it happens too, with the new empire army..
personally I think steampunk sucks ass, but perhaps that´s just me :-*
cu´s
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Can't say steampunk does it for me either.
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Steampunk could be done well, It's just that the Mutant Chronicles always had a cool dark-techno-noir-pulp feeling, that is really unique to it. I'd be sad to see that go. :(
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Does any one remember the old MC comics ?
I have some draught pages with some art work the were going to be in the next set of comics.I got them from one of the Warzone miniatures sculptors.I will have to hunt them out some time.
Andy C.
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I have the 4th issue. Can't seem to find the others. I will say it is the source of at least 50% of the special characters.
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Yes it has an abundance of the Characters from the game and a very cool story and art work.The background is very inspiring,especially the Dark Legion settings.