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Title: Firstborn militia
Post by: Buzzu on September 15, 2013, 05:12:21 PM
Hy there. Don't you think devout army has got enough troops? Let think about some new unit for someone else... In the profile of Earl, swordmaster noble, it is written he can give order to two units with one action to the swordsmen or to the firstborn  militia. But this unit profile never appeared. It'stime to do it... I imagine something like a large numbered warband with light armour and forearms. I already got some excellent proxy, but  I need the stats! Please T Prime, do it for us all!!!
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: Buzzu on September 15, 2013, 05:15:06 PM
I meant polearms. Automatic adjustment is sometimes fool...
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: joshuaslater on September 16, 2013, 06:36:02 AM
Halberds?  How do you picture them?  I think you're right about needing them.
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: Horned Owl on September 16, 2013, 10:20:26 AM
Good idea! Though in Empire Chronopia the Firstborn militia is armed with axes and swords, halberds or poleaxes would be cool as well. They should probably be simpler than the Repulsarīs - maybe a long, straight central blade with a small, crenellated side blade, either a half-circular axehead or a bardiche-style "saw" mounted parallel to the shaft?
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: joshuaslater on September 16, 2013, 11:29:30 AM
Tell me more about the Empire Militia.  Are they two handed axes?  Do they have shields?  Let me know what they're all about!!
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: Horned Owl on September 16, 2013, 12:42:02 PM
The description is rather short. It reads,


Quote
SOLDIERS
The common soldiery of Firstborn armies is composed of levies and militia, with a core of professional troops such as city watchmen. They are equipped with a broad range of weapons such as spears, short swords, hammers and axes. Many wear little in the way of armor though the professional guards often wear chainmail. They are good all round troops who fight with passion and conviction.
The picture shows a knight in full Firstborn armour brandishing a straightsword, with an irregular horde of soldiers behind him who appear to be armed with axes and swords.

(http://s23.postimg.org/dored082j/firstbornsoldiers.jpg)


We included house-rule militia in one scenario, where each warband of levied men (only minimally armoured in tunic and chestplate, and armed with hand axes) was led by an Iron Guardsman armed with a straightsword and shield. I imagined them to be citizens, craftsmen and peasants taking up arms in case their city was threatened.

I felt that this would be a rather effective use of those untrained troops, placing groups of them under the command of an experienced veteran, who would also be responsible for their training during peacetime. Since the Iron Guard patrols the cities of the Firstborn, home defense would naturally fall under their jurisdiction as well.


(edit: picture)
 
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: Horned Owl on September 16, 2013, 12:43:25 PM
Buzzu, would you mind showing us the proxies for inspiration?
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: Buzzu on September 16, 2013, 02:47:29 PM
I have never been able to post a picture on this forum. Anyway, they are absolutely nothing specal. I was going to use the plastic models  of followers of the game "Advanced Heroquest". They have got a very static pose, but size is quite good and they got a leather armor, an helmet, ashield and a polearm or a sword. Since I have a bunch of them, it could bea a nice idea to use them to represent the unit.
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: Horned Owl on September 17, 2013, 04:16:38 AM
Ah! I know the miniatures. Not a bad choice! If you cut off the plume and maybe scrape off the shield design, they indeed look quite Firstborn.

(http://www.yeoldeinn.com/images/wizards-of-morcar/wizards-of-morcar-swordsman.gif)(http://www.yeoldeinn.com/images/wizards-of-morcar/wizards-of-morcar-scout.gif)(http://www.yeoldeinn.com/images/wizards-of-morcar/wizards-of-morcar-crossbowman.gif)(http://www.yeoldeinn.com/images/wizards-of-morcar/wizards-of-morcar-halberdier.gif)
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: arqueek on September 17, 2013, 12:09:58 PM
Guys, what about this one?

http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Basilea/Product/Basilean-Men-at-Arms-20-Figures.html

Or this one, but here you need some conversions

http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War/Basilea/Product/Basilean-Paladins-20-Figures.html
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: Buzzu on September 17, 2013, 03:12:16 PM
No, guys. I dare to say they are both wrong. King of war minis from mantic games are very nice and cheaper than many others, but the size is too small for Chronopia units. I know it for sure. Owl, the minis I told are not the ones in your picture. The ones you showed are from an Heroquest expantion called "the wizards of Morcar" and they are extremely rare nowaday. The ones I have are from advanced Heroquest,  which is another game. They are a little bigger, no feathers, and they just stand in a static, classic position.
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: Horned Owl on September 20, 2013, 09:28:52 AM
(http://store.wargamingtrader.com/system/files/imagecache/product_full/F564%20-%20Advanced%20Heroquest%20Plastic%20Henchmen%20%20%20%20%2012-03-31.jpg)

Allright!  :) Those, then?
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: Buzzu on September 20, 2013, 02:49:44 PM
That's it!!! ;)
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: Buzzu on April 27, 2015, 02:22:01 PM
We're all still waiting for the stats.... come on... come on...  :P
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: kvaerne on August 25, 2015, 04:34:40 AM
I start to write something:
 
Unit Name                           CC    RC   PW   LD   AC  W   ST  MV  AR  DEF  SZ    Cost
                                                                 
 City Militia                           10     8    -      11    2    1     3    4    14   -2     2     17
                                                                                                                          
 Chieiftain                     11     8    -     12     2    1     3    4    14   -3     2     20
                       
                Mortal; Leader; Polearm  Dam :ST + 5

Structure : Warband
 6 to 12   City Militia
 1   Chieiftain
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: kvaerne on August 25, 2015, 07:06:59 AM
For the Polearm , I imagine this.

(http://i57.tinypic.com/117wgo2.png)
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: Jr_Boyd on August 25, 2015, 09:15:58 AM
I like it, did you look at flipping the blade so the hook is facing down and maybe making is a little more of the circle on the axe head. Looks good the way you have it.
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: kvaerne on August 25, 2015, 01:00:50 PM
Draw it to show me how you like.
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: kvaerne on September 14, 2015, 11:45:22 AM
Reading one written by Horned Owl, I thought that the ''City Militia'' would be something like this.

             City Militia

City Militia  - swordmen   ( 2-6 )
 CC    RC   PW   LD   AC  W   ST  MV  AR  DEF  SZ    Cost                                                           
 10      8     -     11    2    1    3     4   14    -3     2       15                 
               
City Militia  - sword-axe  ( 2-6 )   
 CC    RC   PW   LD   AC  W   ST  MV  AR  DEF  SZ    Cost                                                             
 10      8     -     11    2    1     3    4   14    -2    2        16
               
City Militia  - Polearm   ( 2-6 ) 
 CC    RC   PW   LD   AC  W   ST  MV  AR  DEF  SZ    Cost                                                                     
 10     8      -     11    2    1    3     4   14    -2    2        17
                                                                                                                                         
 Chieiftain Iron Guard  (1) 
 CC   RC   PW   LD   AC  W   ST  MV  AR  DEF  SZ    Cost                                                                 
 13    8      -     14    2    1    4     3    21   -3    2       42
                       
               
Special Rules:
Chieiftain Iron Guard has the ability steandfast. Until is present, the entire band has steadfast.
City Militia sword-axe has the ability Secondary Attack

Equipment:
City Militia swordmen  are each armed with a Strainghtsword  Dam :ST + 3 and Shield
City Militia sword-axe  are each armed with a Strainghtsword  Dam :ST + 3 and Hand Axe Dam :ST + 1
City Militia Polearm  are each armed with a Strainghtsword  Dam :ST + 5
Chieiftain Iron Guard  are each armed with    Broad Bladed Spear  Dam :ST + 7 and Warshield       

Structure : Warband
8  to 12   City Militia
 1   Chieiftain

Classification: Mortal

Not sure of the cost. ;D
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: Buzzu on September 15, 2015, 01:48:27 AM
The cost is too cheap for those stats.
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: kvaerne on September 15, 2015, 10:05:42 AM
what do you propose ?
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: Jr_Boyd on September 15, 2015, 01:18:19 PM
Still not home but thought I chime in. At first glance I thought it was low as well. But it is very close to a Elven Militia, however the defensive modifier looks high for this cost.
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: Brother Jim on September 15, 2015, 02:16:04 PM
The militia with a polearm doesn't have a polearm??

Or is their having a Straightsword a typo, I think it must be as it has ST+5 when the other Straightswords are ST+3.
Title: Re: Firstborn militia
Post by: kvaerne on September 16, 2015, 07:40:32 AM
 :o Typing error. sorry

City Militia Polearm  are each armed with a Polearm Dam :ST + 5