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Warzone => Painting & Terrain => Topic started by: bauhaus_blitz on October 11, 2005, 01:21:07 PM
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what is the word on paint preferences around here ? Does anyone actually exclusively use apple barrel, folk art or ceramcoat ? What about the new reaper line?
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I think your asking about what paint we use for minis.
ok as the paint of choice go's I use is gw paint.
So far its the only paint I like.
I've tried reapers paint ( year or so ago) I found the colors to dull and the paint bit too thick for my liking.
A buddy of mine used off the shelf paints ( kids paints and acrylic paints) to be honest I thought they made the minis look really bad; way too thick and much to shiney.
there is a line of paints that begins with a " V "... veajro ( spelled something like that ) I've heard some people liking it alot. I havent used it myself so I cant really say.
So in a nutshell GW really does make good paint with a really good color selection.
hope this helps
-steve
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I prefer Vallejo paints hands down over the rest.
The two lines, model and game color, equal and surpass GW's paint lines on all accounts.
it thins nicely due to a high pigment content and the coverage with difficult colors (ie yellows) is unmatched.
The eyedropper bottle negates the paint film that forms on gw's pots as well as aides in mixing.
It doesn't yellow over time (as far as I've noticed)
it's cheaper than GW paints.
Apple Barrel are actualyl fairly good paints and the majority of their downfalls, limited color selection and sometimes spotty consistancy are offset by their ridiculously cheap price tag.
GW - overpriced for only mediocre quality. Use them if you have them but get a hold of vallejo Game colors as soon as you can.
-PFC joe
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I use Folk Art, Its cheap, and, given my painting abilities, etc, it does what i want it to do (put paint on the model so its not primer black anymore)
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I am posting only to reinforce PVT Joe's post. I too have found Vallejo paints very high quality. However, since I am on a limited budget, 90% of my paint supplies come from folk art, creamcoat, and apple barrel simply for the cost. I have had MANY bottles of those brands last me several years without much loss in quality. I have never tried reaper paints, and I do have some GW metallics because the cheaper metallics are crap.
If you buy any Vallejo paints the best to buy are whites, yellows, and creams because these colors are the hardest to paint over other colors with. Vallejo has a really high pigment content and I have found that they cover better than any other brands of the same color. Since I prime everything black... this works out best for me.
Your best bet is to find what you are willing to pay for and then settle on quality within your budget... that's what I did anyway. I have about $80 worth of painting supplies that have collectively lasted me more than 5 years.
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I've used Testor's Model Master Acrylic, Ceramcoat, DeccoArt, Armory, Ralpatha, PollyScale and GW. I like PollyScale the best then Testor's then Ceramcoat/DeccoArt. I'm using Ceramcoat/DeccoArt on most of my Warzone/Chronopia and pretty happy with it. The only thing I dont like about Ceramcoat/DeccoArt is I have to paint a few coats to get a nice result. Where ModelMaster is just 1 coat. ModelMaster also has the protective thing in the paint so wont chip that easy. The rest will chip rather easily and definitely needs to be coated with MatteFinish.
I started using Ceramcoat because it has lots of color and it was 50% at the local Arts and Craft store. 79 cents per 2 ml. Can't go wrong with that... :-)
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Exclusively craft paint here. The Americana line is particularly nice as well as Delta Ceramcoat. Apple Barrel really don't have enough pigment to suit me on their reds and yellows but I've never noticed a difference if I'm using vallejo, citadal, or .88 cent craft paint.
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I still have quite a few bottles of GW paints, but I prefer Vallejo and I haven't bought a GW paint in a long time (never will again).
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damn Guys I'm going to have to look into this vallejo paint,
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My brother and I prefer Vallejo for the great paint and wide selection. The Reaper Master series paints are also very great, In my opinion they are the only paints that rival vallejo and price for price they are about the same. Another good paint is Adiken's Adikolor but they are a little less pigmented than the other two but that causes it to be cheapier. But a major over looked fact in mini painting is brush quality. The only way to go is Vallejo's brushes or the God of brushes Winsor Newton Series 7, they are a little pricey but well worth it. And if you don't have a store that sells them then go to Dick Blicks website, they sell 'em real cheap.
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My brother and I prefer Vallejo for the great paint and wide selection. The Reaper Master series paints are also very great, In my opinion they are the only paints that rival vallejo and price for price they are about the same. Another good paint is Adiken's Adikolor but they are a little less pigmented than the other two but that causes it to be cheapier. But a major over looked fact in mini painting is brush quality. The only way to go is Vallejo's brushes or the God of brushes Winsor Newton Series 7, they are a little pricey but well worth it. And if you don't have a store that sells them then go to Dick Blicks website, they sell 'em real cheap.
I couldn't agree more. It's all about the brush! Get a sable brush and not the taklon. Sable is stiffer then camel but softer than taklon. IMHO.
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I use Citadel Color, not only because they're thicker than any others I've used it's CHEAPER! That's right...I said it. Vallejo is $5 a bottle Canadian for 3 mL more paint while GW paint is $4.25 a bottle.
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Good heavens! five dollars a bottle?
I pay half that.
literaly
2.50
gotta get you a place to shop that doesn't require both legs and the first born.
-PFC joe
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Well, he is talking about Canadian $. But even accounting for that it seems he's paying too much.
Around here GW paints cost 30 kronor (US$3.80) and Vallejo 25 (US$3.17). So the choice is easy pay less for more paint and a better bottle or go and buy GW paint.
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I'm going to throw my hat in with what seems is a growing majority and announce my preference for Vallejo. The paint quality is superb: it thins better than any paint I've used before, covers completely, allows for incredible wet blending if you throw some retarder into your thinning mix. Personally I prefer the model color line to the game color, because of color selection, the model color line has more of the down and dirty real world kinds of colors I prefer for my warzone minis, fewer purples, yellows and florescents and more earthtones, and greens.
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Canadian distributors don't always go with a simple conversion, gang. I can rattle off a list of stuff that Canadian distributors have jacked up, seemingly for the hell of it, but I know better and it could be due to shipping, customs, whatever. Anyways, I've found that Vallejo paints are too thin and don't give good enough coverage. Thicker paints can be thinned easily enough and I have a habit of thinning my paints anyways. I like the eyedropper format for the paints, however and think they're brilliant.
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I have used Vallejo exclusively until Reaper released their Master Series. I really like these paints. One reason is that they already have a "flow improver" added (you don't need to thin them down). I also like the triad system of colors they use. They have really made shading and highlighting a bit easier.
I would recommend either Vallejo or the Reaper Master Series.
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I've been painting for a long time and , I use it all. Vallejo (game & model color), GW (old flip top pots, screw tops, new flip tops, eye dropper inks), Ral Partha (now Iron Wind Metals), and Reaper (both bottles and eye droppers).
Vallejo are really nice, I picked up some and love them, they've got a great selection of paints for doing camo. I'm a big fan of these as I paint historical minis from time to time and Vallejo works really well for this purpose. The GW paints are alright, I like them because they tend to be thick and cover well, I haven't picked many up recently simply because I like what I'm seeing in the Vallejo line. Also the GW screw tops simply blew, the bottles wouldn't reseal, paint dried out after one use... The Parthas I've stuck with simply because I like the line of flesh tones they had, needless to say before they went under I bought lots of extras. Some of the Reaper screw tops (Pro Paints I think) are nice, their Gunmetal is a new favorite. At GENCON this year I picked up four packs of the their new eye dropper line (Master Paints...) and like what I've seen so far. They make these great three packs for people who don't like mixing paint, each pack comes with a dark, a medium, and a light color for easy highlighting. Typically I'll prime with GW primer, paint with all sorts of paint lines, and then seal with Testor's Dull Coat.
I've found in my years of painting that paints and inks from certain companies are better than others paints and inks from other companies. It sounds strange I know, but it is true.
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Which line has the best metalics? The Apple Barrel & co aren't up to snuff and other than GW, the only metallics I dealt with were the long-defunct Ral Partha paints.
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I paint for a living. i own oevr a 1000 jars of paint from just about everyone. I find different ones meet different needs for some of my projects. I still prefer Americana, Creamcoat and Folk Art. I have loads of Apple Barrel but it seems to be lower quality than the others. I also like some of the shades that Musket miniatures paints have. Some of the older Armory colors were good (bottles were terrible, though). Partha had some good colors, too.
Thanks,
John
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Good to see you back on the forums John. Welcome back.
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I like Vallejo best, but use Citadel Paints + Cout dŽarmes + REAPER Master Series in addition.
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I've been getting more and more of the Vallejo paints lately, as I really like the dropper bottle design and the fact that they are a little more diluted than GW paints...I still use the GW paints, partially because I've been using them for years, but partially because they have a wide variety of colors available 9BTW, the new pots are MUCH better than the old screw-tops)...
As for metallics, I do like the Vallejo metallics, but I've found that for a deep-metallic look, Testors has released a new line of Acryl paints that really stand out (like a Chrome paint that can be Buffed, perfect for Mirrormen)...there is also a Japanese company that is available at a hobby shop up here that seems to have a good, metal flake texture (I'm going there tomorrow, so I'll get the name)...
B.
time to paint the minis...
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I'm definitely in the minority, I realize, but I've never been terribly impressed with Vallejo Model Color or Game Color.
Personally, my preferences are for Foundry's paints, with Reaper Master Series coming in a close second. For some colors, though, I still prefer GW- Bleached Bone and especially Chaos Black, for example (Chaos Black is my favorite black of any manufacturer- I love the slightly satin finish it dries to). Adikolor are nice, too- I like the pigment level in them over Vallejo since it seems to lend itself to subtler blends and better color mixing.
Overall, my current paint setup in the US consists of about 20 Reaper Master Paints (6 triads, Adamantium Black, and brush-on primer), a few Folk Arts "Artist Pigments" (which are really quite nice- much nicer than the standard Folk Art craft paints. I definitely wanna get some of these), a handful of regular Apple Barrel craft paints, some old-school fliptop Citadel paints (from the first Tyranid Paint Set), a few Partha Paints (with a few I need to get again, like the pearlescent metallic Sky Blue), and some Citadel inks.
Once I get paid this weekend, I'm planning on buying another 30 or 40 Reaper Master paints and a few Citadel paints (namely, Chaos Black, TinBitz, and Terracotta, which I believe they've re-released), and eventually, some Coat d'Arms colors, and some Foundry palettes.
My painting setup in France* is entirely GW Fliptop paints, currently, but will change if/when I buy more and/or unify the two collections of paint.
Oh, and since this is my first post- hi, I'm Scott, aka BlackieX. Been following Warzone since it was Mutant Chronicles, and just a line of figures from Heartbreaker (two Pretorian Stalkers with clawed feet rather than heavy armoured boots, the snake-headed nepharite, the big, muscular nepharite, three Venusian Rangers, and eventually, a couple undead legionaires [especially the one with the buzzsaw arm!] and some Cartel Agents) without a game to go with it. Played the RPG as soon as it was released, bought Blood Berets on pre-order, have owned three different copies of Siege Of The Citadel, have Fury of the Clansmen here somewhere, and the first three novels.
So, yeah, you could say I'm a big fan of Mutant Chronicles and by extension, Warzone. :)
Anyway, nice to meet you.
* Oh yeah- I live in Ohio in the United States half of the year, and spend the other half of the year in France, with my fiancee (who's French).
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Some of those older figs (I have most of the ones you are talking about) are better than the later sculps, especially the older Mortificator. Of course there are some that could have used a resculp (the much maligned Imperial Flying Goon). I wanted to get the old Cyber Doomtrooper to use as Coral Beach but kept missing the boat on that one.
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Some of those older figs (I have most of the ones you are talking about) are better than the later sculps, especially the older Mortificator. Of course there are some that could have used a resculp (the much maligned Imperial Flying Goon). I wanted to get the old Cyber Doomtrooper to use as Coral Beach but kept missing the boat on that one.
Actually, the ones I'm talking about are from well before those figures, too- these came on baby blue cards, with "Mutant Chronicles" on them in yellow. The two Pretorian Stalkers, in particular, are (in my opinion) the best Stalker miniatures ever released- one sporting a minigun (re-released as the Praetorian Enforcer by EE), and one sporting a Scythe Of Semai. Great, great figures... I need to replace the one with the Scythe Of Semai, however, since a friend of mine managed to step on it somehow (which leads to the question "How did it get on the floor in the first place?" but, apparently, it "magically" appeared there. Whatever.). For the most part, the humans're a bit smaller than the Warzone figs, but they still mix okay, by and large- I'm a proponent of "different people are different sizes" theory, when it comes to scale variation in figures. :)