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Warzone => Game Questions => Topic started by: dmcgee1 on October 20, 2006, 04:22:59 PM
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If a mortar team spotter has LOS to the target, but the mortar does not have LOS, is it, now, speculative fire? If yes, is the spotter the de facto Forward Observer who automatically makes the communication roll?
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Hello.
I have just started to read the book, but I would assum the one who see's it is the one who calls it. But then I have been known to be in error.
wmeredith
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As long as he is within Command Distance of the Tube then the team counts as having LOS. Measure Range from the Tube and use the actual Gunner (tuber?)'s RC to figure to-hit.
If he is outside of Command Distance then the crew serviced weapon suffers the penalty for being down a crewmember and he can not act as Spotter until her returns to CD.
-PFC joe
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As long as he is within Command Distance of the Tube then the team counts as having LOS. Measure Range from the Tube and use the actual Gunner (tuber?)'s RC to figure to-hit.
If he is outside of Command Distance then the crew serviced weapon suffers the penalty for being down a crewmember and he can not act as Spotter until her returns to CD.
-PFC joe
So, if he is not a "Forward Observer," when would it, ever, be speculative fire? When a true Forward Observer attempts the shot?
I will have to start including graphics in my questions/descriptions/answers - :)
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He has to have the Forward Observer SA to be a Forward Observer. Otherwise, as long as he is within Command Distance, he can still provide LOS to a target.
-PFC joe
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Thanks Joe I really want to do the game right .
wmeredith
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May I use an F.O., even if the mortar team/spotter has LOS? I ask, because the F.O. seems to have some really good bonuses - fire first round for spot, the next two for effect at +2 and +4 RC, respectively, without that nasty -4 RC for speculative fire if first round is used to spot. Yes, I know, he has to make the communications roll, first.
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yeah, Go ahead, that's what F.O.'s are for!
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If Spotter has no LOS, but Mortar and two other team members do have LOS, may they be used to trace LOS?
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yes, the spotter is the only one that doesn't have to remain in Base Contact with the weapon in order to provide LOS.
Technically, the LOS is traced from the Weapon itself, the Spotter or the F.O. whichever can actually have eyes-on the target.
However, again, if he's outta command radius, they act as if they've lost a crew member.
-PFC joe
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This brings up a question.. Can support units take either elite or grunt loadouts? ie, give the mortar team comm links, so that the spotter can move further away?
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May an F.O. override Target Priority; i.e.: he wants the Mortar to shoot something that is farther away than what is breathing down the mortar team's necks?
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Nope.
If a F.O. has Tac sense ( I can't think of any off hand) then they may.
Given the way Tac Sense is played, yes you can Tac Sense over, but otherwise it's the same ol closest of the closest for Targetin Priority.
(except fer smoke)
(and Fire Missions)
-PFC joe
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Just to clarify this:
A) The mortar team has a an enemy squad (A) 12" away. Off to the side, there is another enemy squad (B), that is 24" away from the mortar team. But, there is an FO with LOS and 12" away from squad (B), squad (A) being 24" from the spotter. Can the FO direct the mortar team to squad (B), the FO's target of priority?
B) If ther was another enemy squad (C) 16" from the FO, and the FO has tac sense, can he attempt to switch the mortar team to fire on enemy (C)?
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where does it state that FO can direct mortars? canīt find it..
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A) Yes (I think, the picture I drew from your example was a bit fuzzy)
B) Yes again.
Aldrien pg 54 and 57.
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Thank you! Yeah, i was a tad confused, but that cleared it up!
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ok, thanks..
one follow up question: RL (direct fire) and ap rockets:
at page 54 they say that indirect fire has damage reduction for failed to hit roles.
does that apply to rl - ap rockets as well? at p121 ranged templates follow that rule, but does that apply to direct fire weapons in the first place?
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No, direct fire weapons either hit or they don't. Directly placed templates such as flamers and shotguns, automatically hit. The rocket launcher with AP rounds is kind of unique as it is a direct fire ranged template. In this instance, you would refer to the rule on page 121 (as you have already noted) and reduce the amount of damage the RL does, according to the roll.
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thank you, we had a game at friday (expect the report!) and they doubted it, as well as me.. (the rocket may as well pass over the enemy, exploding far behind the target..) nevertheless, we played it correctly and I killed 4 BB at one shot :)
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I killed 4 BB at one shot :)
Nice shooting! :)
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I killed 4 BB at one shot :)
Nice shooting! :)
that's what I thought...that's a big loss for the Imperial player...
B...
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yeah, they where all clustered behind a wall with a hole blasted in.. they stood in two rows because he wanted to avoid shooting from the side.. 8)
letīs see, the next days I make the report. pix are ready.
500 cap + 500 cyb vs. 1000 imp
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Just as an addendum, given that the 12 inches would fall inside of "must target" range you would have to refer to the SquadLeader (Spotter/Gunner) Leadership to determine whether they fall within the Elite level or Grunt Level of determining Immediate targets.
as a Support unit, if their LD is below 12 and the enemy unit is within short range, they must attack the closest target with whatever Small Arms weapons they have.
-PFC joe
(good call Stalker)
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Just doing my job Joe.